Turkey Will Attack US Kurds In One Week If They Don't Withdraw

How is that - giving citizenship to foreign refugees - supposed to compare to Assad not giving citizenship to people living in Syria? The Kurds have been there for quite a while now, from what I'm seeing. Since the end of WWI at the latest.

Here is a big part of why Iraq and Syria are a mess:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria
Following World War I, the victorious Allied powers and the defeated Ottoman Empire signed the Treaty of Sèvres of 10 August 1920. The treaty stipulated that Ottoman Kurdistan, which included Kurdish inhabited areas in present Syria, was to be given autonomy within the new Turkish Republic, with the choice for full independence within a year. The Kemalist victory in Turkey and subsequent territorial gains during the Turkish War of Independence led to the renegotiated Treaty of Lausanne of 24 July 1923, which made no mention of a future Kurdish state. The majority of Ottoman Kurdish territory was given to Turkey and the rest was divided between the newly established French Mandate of Syria and British Mandate of Iraq.[56]

Both countries are conglomerates of different people created by foreign powers (France and Britain) in the early twencen. Neither is a coherent nation state the way those in Europe and the Americas and just about everywhere else are. Instead, they're the results of the same kind of foreign meddling that went on in colonial Africa.

So don't pretend for a second that Syria was some kind of peaceful paradise under that dictator Assad's rule!

 

Okay Goody, I made a mistake. Only the Republics have a state language that is taught together with Russian.

This is a list of the languages that are recognized as official in constitutions of the Republics of Russia:

Abaza Northwest Caucasian Karachay-Cherkessia
Adyghe Northwest Caucasian Adygea
Altai Turkic Altai Republic
Bashkir Turkic Bashkortostan
Buryat Mongolic Buryatia
Chechen Northeast Caucasian Chechen
Cherkess Northwest Caucasian Karachay-Cherkessia
Chuvash Turkic Chuvashia
Crimean Tatar Turkic Republic of Crimea
Erzya Uralic Mordovia
Ingush Northeast Caucasian Ingushetia
Kabardian Northwest Caucasian Kabardino-Balkaria
Kalmyk Mongolic Kalmykia
Karachay-Balkar Turkic Kabardino-Balkaria
Karachay-Cherkessia
Khakas Turkic Khakassia
Komi Uralic Komi Republic
Hill Mari, Meadow Mari Uralic Mari El
Moksha Uralic Mordovia
Nogai Turkic Karachay-Cherkessia
Ossetic Indo-European North Ossetia–Alania
Tatar Turkic Tatarstan
Tuvan Turkic Tuva
Udmurt Uralic Udmurtia
Ukrainian Indo-European Republic of Crimea
Yakut Turkic Sakha Republic​

 

Only a small area of Syria belonged to the Kurds, so let's not spin things. The majority of the Kurds in Syria came to escape Turkish oppression, they were not the original inhabitants as they are in most of Turkey and northern Iraq. As for the Treaty of Sevres, it was being worked on as Attaturk gathered his forces. I don't doubt Attaturk had help from the Bolsheviks, although he probably bought arms from Italy with the money stolen from the Armenians.

Here's one of the maps of the ethnic divisions in the Treaty of Sevres, although there were no French there, no British there and no Italians. Anatolia was basically divided among Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians and Turks.



As for today, the people of Syria have shown with their votes, that they prefer the secular society formed by Assad, rather than being divided into ethnic enclaves that will always have friction with one another. They're not stupid.

 

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Oh you are such an ignorant and uneducated poster. What's even worse is you have no shame to post here without making a thorough research. You contribute nothing but nonsense.

You have no respect to those Polish, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Belarusians who got KILLED on streets because they failed/rejected to comply with the orders of the invading Russian army who literally BANNED SPEAKING THEIR NATIVES on their own lands...!

Because you have NO respect at all for the Muslim and Turkic populations who were forced to use of Cyrillic instead of their Latin based Turkish alphabets.

There's a term for that: RUSSIFICATION..! It had always been there: Pre-Stalin era, Stalin era, post-Stalin era... Even today in Belarus...

Muravyov would have sent his regards to your ongoing education here. lol...

Russians even banned fellow Christians' practice like they did to the Catholics of the Eastern Europe for years. They burned down Catholic churches, schools, monasteries...

I got Finnish friends told me a lot about Russification in their country.

And Turks killed Greeks and Armenians during war time and I think you are making them proud by bringing it up every once in a while... Greeks are orthodox Arabs, like Lebanese except that Lebanese are more disciplined (been there, done that) due to Hezbollah effect. But I think they will catch up soon as Turks will have a deal with the US in Syria so that they can start disciplining Greeks as once they disciplined Arabs...

Will be real fun to watch Turks giving Ottoman Slap to stupid ass greeks there

 

You shouldn't bother to reply his stupidity, it's often a waste of time...

The poster compares "refugees of war" with "temporary and limited" residence to "community-residing people"...

Beyond pathetic...

 

Dude what the hell do you guys try to do?

 

Lol wut?

 

Did you get some weird porn pop-up that is imitating this forum?

 

No... I searched your location status that ends with "here" in Russian and this popped up...

 

Go back to school Goody. Many language groups didn't have a written language, so they were given the Cyrillic alphabet to facilitate them learning Russian as well as their own language in 1937.

In 1918, it was decreed that all nationalities in the Soviet Union had the right to education in their own language. The new orthography used the Cyrillic, Latin, or Arabic alphabet, depending on geography and culture. After 1937, all languages that had received new alphabets after 1917 began using the Cyrillic alphabet. This way, it would be easier for linguistic minorities to learn to write both Russian and their native language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union​

That would have been fine if the Russians used the Latin alphabet, but they didn't, they used Cyrillic. And by using the Cyrillic alphabet for their native language, it facilitated them in learning Russian which they needed for communication. You're just mad because they prefer Russia to Turkey.

Oh, then you feel they should have been Anglosized. How about South America, do you think they should be Anglosized too or only the Russian speaking world? Or maybe you think they should have been Turkosized?

You're thinking of the Western Ukrainians who follow a Byzantine rite but are under the Pope? They were the ones who killed the Catholic Poles.

So that's why my grandson looks like a Saudi? And here I thought Greek was a European language. But thanks for saying it, now you can go tell the Europeans they're not so great, and that the Greek achievements they thought were European, are really Arab ones.

More genocides huh? Doesn't worry me, I know everything that will occur from day to day. Turkey will attack and take two islands, and then try to take Cyprus. But in the end there will be no Turkey.. The only thing left standing in Constantinople will be Saint Sophia. It's coming!

 

So the answer is yes. lol

It's a really horrible attempt at phishing.

 

Hm, could I ask you to clarify this? I checked my profile page to see if that might have the "location status" that you've mentioned, but didn't see anything there that would lead me to anything like what you posted.

 

I honestly have no idea what he is talking about. I put a couple of BS things in my profile, namely a fake website and a fake location which, for me, opens a map if I click it.

 

Ah, OK, I see that "здесь" there. I can't click it at all when I click my avatar here; the word is not a link for me, just plain old italic text.

I'm thinking you've got some issue with your computer or internet settings if anything having to do with my profile sends you to a porn site. Those hackers are pretty sneaky these days. That's one reason I avoid using Windows.

 

But most of Muslim and Turkic peoples of Russia simply didn't have any alphabets, like Yakuts for example. So, one may say they were forced do have alphabets. Evil Russians forced them to learn alphabets and even invented some of these alphabets for other peoples.
As for "their Latin based Turkish alphabets", we can watch what happened to Azerbaijan writing under Russian and later Soviet rule, as Turks and Azeris are the same people actually.

The first Latin Azerbaijan alphabet was created in 1922 and completely replaced the old Arab alphabet in 1929. Latin alphabet in Turkey was introduced in the same 1929. So, when Soviet Azerbaijan started to use its Latin alphabet, Turkey still used Arabic writing. In the late 30s Latin alphabets in USSR were mostly replaced with Cyrillic ones, but the fact is that Azerbaijan's Latin alphabet couldn't be "Turkish", as actually Turkish Latin alphabet appeared 7 years later the Latin alphabet was imposed in Azerbaijan.

Besides, Azerbaijanians in Iran still use Persian alphabet - they weren't "forced" to use either Latin or Cyrillic ones.

And did your Finnish friends tell you that Finland in Russian empire had its own money, parliament, court, police, armed forces and so on, and Russian language was imposed as official only in 1900 - 91 years after Finland became part of Russia?

As for "KILLED on streets" I can't comment this delirium.

 

An interesting article from the Vineyard of the Saker HERE.

 

You are so lucky because you get free lessons like this. All you need to do is to be yourself and to post plain ignorance like you always do. Lol...

Turks have alphabets even "BEFORE" Russians ever had a state, and this is how it looks like:



Forget about Turks and their alphabet having been banned, suppose they never had an alphabet, what about Lithuania? They were using Latin alphabet and Russians banned their language from being spoken along with their alphabets...

And Soviet assimilation is called "Russification" -there's a big ass entry on wikipedia about it- have little to do with "just banning languages" from "being spoken" in SSRs and in regions caught up in Soviet sphere of influence. They banned "religions", traditions, some rituals, and anything that makes up peoples' culture. Today tens of millions of Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgiz have "Russian names and surnames".

Kurds use their "own" alphabets in anywhere around Turkey. Even TRT-Kurdi, a Kurdish TV channel, broadcast in Kurdish and using "Kurdish alphabet", even it is just one of those made-up alphabets of the post-modern world. You can see on news captions letters like X,W,Q which got no place in Turkish alphabet. So your argument refutes itself as Russians, the "ruling elite and majority in USSR", having used Cyrillic does not whatsoever justify forced implementations like alphabet and language use upon ethnic groups. It is a direct assimilation.

Bulgaria did the same thing to Muslim Turks when it was just a mere satellite of the USSR. I remember photos of Muslim Turks getting executed one by one just because they refused to change their surnames to Bulgarian-friendly ones or refused to comply with the orders of the pro-Soviet puppet government that banned Islamic practices...

You don't even know what you are replying to, nor do you have any "familiarity" with the terminology you use.

It's called "ANGLICIZED". Lol...

Like I said, you don't know what you are replying to which is totally normal because you are just a conditioned troll.

"In 1864, the Polish and Belarusian languages were banned in public places; in the 1880s, Polish was banned in schools and on school grounds and offices of Congress Poland. Research and teaching of the Polish language, history or of Catholicism were forbidden. Illiteracy rose as Poles refused to learn Russian. Students were beaten for resisting Russification"

A similar development took place in Lithuania. Its Governor General, Mikhail Muravyov, prohibited the public use of spoken Polish and Lithuanian and closed Polish and Lithuanian schools; teachers from other parts of Russia who did not speak these languages were moved in to teach pupils. Muravyov also banned the use of Latin and Gothic scripts in publishing. He was reported saying, "What the Russian bayonet didn't accomplish, the Russian school will." ("что не додѣлалъ русскій штыкъ – додѣлаетъ русская школа.") This ban, which was only lifted in 1904, was disregarded by the Knygnešiai, the Lithuanian book smugglers, who brought Lithuanian publications printed in the Latin alphabet, the historic orthography of the Lithuanian language, from Lithuania Minor, a part of East Prussia, and from the United States into the Lithuanian-speaking areas of Imperial Russia. The knygnešiai became a symbol of the resistance of Lithuanians against Russification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

Firstly, please don't even bother trying to be funny when you simply can't. Secondly, you don't have a grandson. But if you had, and he did have the looks of a Saudi, it may have probably been because your daughter had a Saudi partner. Thirdly, and more importantly, if you'd been a person that generally comprehends with no problem what he reads, you would have known that I made the analogy not because similarities in physical looks but because to emphasize similarities in attitudes/reactions.

Dude you're even luckier, I brought the whole class to you up there...

 

Actually, the same may be said about you - you don't know what you talk about.

Neither Mikhail Muravyov nor any other Russian official of that time could ban Belarussian language, as Russian authorities considered this language as a branch of large Russian language. Completely otherwise they saw Polish and Lithuanian languages.
Russian empire had been built for many centuries and one of the principles of that building was an incorporation of local nobles into all-Russian nobility. That's why so many Russian nobles were Tatar, Ukrainian, German, Armenian, Georgian and other descendants.
For example,wWhen Russia conquered Finland, it was the former Swedish province. Finns (or to tell more precisely the people which later became Finns) lives in the woods and in swamps, meanwhile the 100% of urban population was Swedish. Swedes kept their positions in state administration, culture, education etc. till the very end of Russian empire in 1917, even though their influence in Finland decreased all this time due to gradual rise of Finnish nationalism.
The similar situation was in Belarus, Poland, Lithuania. The distinction was that there the Poles, Polish nobles dominated in economics (they owned the land), public administration and so on. After Russia, Austria and Prussia divided Poland and every empire took its own part of it, Polish nobility completely kept its positions, lands, property and so on, and actually, at that time western Belarus and part of Lithuania was ruled by Poles.
As Poles rebelled over and over again, they had some reaction from Russian government. And after the uprising of 1863-1864 Russian authorities, including Mikhail Muravyov, took some actions against Polish influence in the western governorates of empire. They imposed restrictions against Polish and Lithuanian languages in education, publishing etc. And Polish language was banned for administration and public use - but not in Poland. It was banned in the nowadays Belarus. And of course, there was no any ban for Belorussian language. The contrary in this case - Russian government issued books in Belorussian to promote pro-Russian propaganda among Belorussian peasants. And they succeeded, they managed to orient Belorussians against Polish land owners, this was one of the reasons why the Polish uprising of 1863 failed. Also one may say it wasn't Russification but de-Polonization, as Poles dominated in the areas populated by Belorussians for many centuries and of course the locals suffered of Polonization, as the culture and language of majority had minor positions in public life.

Finally, Poland today is one of the most mono-national country in the world, meanwhile Russia is one of the multi-national. Lithianian, Belorussian, Armenian and other languages haven't disappeared, they had official status in USSR, national educational systems existed all this time, every Lithuanian in 1991 spoke Lithuanian language because he learnt it in a Soviet school. So, in general the situation with national minorities in Russia-USSR was much-much-much-much-much-much better than that in Turkey. It's just... incomparable, sorry.

 

And back to the topic:

 

The only alternative to the Syrian army protecting Afrin, would be for the Kurds in Raqqa to leave and help them before the people are massacred and ethnically cleansed by Turkey. I don't think the US wants them to leave Raqqa and its oil and gas deposits.

Tillerson said in his talk with Erdogan, that they will respect the sovereignty of Syria, but I don't trust Washington. They have said that before.

Lavrov said that the US wants to split up Syria, and create a separate Kurdistan, and everything looks that way.

The Syrian army said it wouldn't go into Afrin to protect the city, unless the Kurds disarm, so I don't know what gives? Have they disarmed?

I'm curious to know if the archaeological sites Turkey bombed are Christian. I doubt they would be Muslim.

 

The Syrian Kurds have never agitated for independence. If Assad was finally convinced of the Kurd's sincerity on this topic and agreed to an arrangement similar to that in Iraq in return for military control of the region then this makes perfect sense. If I'm right about the backroom dealing, Assad gets military control allowing him to outflank the FSA in Ilib and push back the Turks while the Kurds remain in control of civil administration and can keep their quasi-direct democracy/communism way of doing things going.

 

Hahahaha... What level of stupidity one should have to believe such pathetic denial would help erase all that ASSIMILATION the Russian Empire and USSR conducted upon other nations in their sphere of influence and minorities within their borders?

"что не додѣлалъ русскій штыкъ – додѣлаетъ русская школа."

Translation: "What the Russian bayonet didn't accomplish, the Russian school will."

These are not my words Kolya...

 

Yeeessss... That's more like you...

Lavrov should first shut down YPG office in Moscow and then arrest Russian army officers (70 of them) for training terrorists in Afrin before Turks showed up. Maybe then he would have a right to speak about "creation of a separate Kurdistan" in Syria.

Do you think I'm Muslim?