United States Votes Against UN Resolution Condemning Death Penalty For Gays

What is your problem with that part of the Preamble?

 

And nothing ever came of it......nothing. I am no fan of either Clinton, and if they have been 'naughty' go for them. Fine by me.

 

Stated clearly in the last sentence you quoted of me before asking that question...

Given that even the Obama admin refused to participate in these charades by the UN, I don't see on what basis you conclude that Trump must want to execute gays because his administration similarly refuses to self-immolate in the virtue signalling circle jerk.

 

That last sentence, and no part of the Resolution makes ANY reference to the USA.

 

Lol, please tell me this was a parody. The Clinton's have done a lot more charity work than the Trump's have.

 

The why do we have to vote on it, everyone knows our stance on it. And of course everybody knows how well some counties treat UN resolutions. Best we just stay out of other countries business....never ends well for us

 

More comedy. Trump loved Saudi oil. And if public pressure can get Christians to stop executing gays, apostates, blasphemers, etc, it can do the same for Islam.

 

And by not signing agreement with it, that will continue to be the case.

 

By not signing it, you have exposed yourselves to this very Thread. The Resolution does not call for a global abolition of the death penalty as you have been incorrectly asserting.

 

Anything to avoid talking about Trump's impending impeachment. This is a ridiculous topic started by a ludicrous source.

Trumpets love it. They don't dare deal with threads concerning Trump bribing a Ukrainian president.

 

This is nothing short of incredible, unbelievable, and stupefying! t

First of all there is this from Trump in the July 25th phone call to Zelensky, the Ukrainian president.

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

It's right there. In the transcript the White House released.

All of which makes this next fact absolutely mystifying and terrifying: In a new national Monmouth University poll just four in 10 self-identified Republicans believe that Trump mentioned Biden in his call with Zelensky.

Then on Thursday, Trump confirmed to a national television audience that he asked Zelensky for help in his political campaign. Trump confirmed that he asked a foreign power to intervene in our Presidential election on his behalf, and then he doubled down, adding another foreign power to his quest for a second term, China.

On Thursday, on the White House South Lawn Trump was asked specifically what he wanted Zelensky to do, and he responded:

"Well I would think that if they were honest about it they'd start a major investigation into the Bidens. It's a very simple answer. They should investigate the Bidens because how does a company that's newly formed -- and all these companies if you look at, and by the way likewise, China -- should start an investigation into the Bidens."

60% of Republicans were totally unaware of this!

It is as if Trump Republicans, differentiating from real Republicans such as myself, are avoiding Trump. They listen only to Trump propaganda on Fox and related Trump soapboxes who will never mention Trump and the Bidens in the same sentence. They don't care to listen to legitimate national news because the programs are likely to involve Trump and describe realities in Washington. They don't want to hear it!

If Trump Republicans somehow get wind of something nasty about Trump, they claim it is false news regardless of the legitimacy of the report. They simply shut their ears.

This may have something to do with intellectual capabilities and educational levels. We know that Trump's support comes from rural areas and states with small populations where opportunities for intellectual achievement are somewhat limited.

We also know that urban and suburban areas with a wide variety of schools and universities largely vote Democratic.

Why 60% of Trump Republicans are unaware of Trump's interaction with the Bidens is a mystery, and I don't claim to have the answer.

 

They need to put forth articles of impeachment, otherwise its a dead subject also

 

Ummmmm....I started this Thread, and it has nothing to do with Trump/Ukraine.

 

State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert called the media coverage of the vote "misleading" and said the US was disappointed to have to vote against it. "The United States voted against this resolution because of broader concerns with the resolution’s approach in condemning the death penalty in all circumstances and calling for its abolition," she said.

"The United States unequivocally condemns the application of the death penalty for conduct such as homosexuality, blasphemy, adultery and apostasy," Nauert said. "We do not consider such conduct appropriate for criminalization and certainly not crimes for which the death penalty would be lawfully available as a matter of international law.”

 

I asserted the UN is attempting to demonize countries that engage in capital punishment by labeling it as a discriminatory institution. The US doesnt fit that bill.

 

Your assertion is incorrect. I have never seen any evidence that the US uses the death penalty in a discriminatory way other than as to type of offence.

 

statistics show that if you are black and poor you are more likely to be convicted of a murder

 

Me either. Though the UN made that assertion in the passage of the resolution I quoted several posts back. Plenty of reason to not sign it.

 

Can you cite that? Was there enough evidence for a conviction? Be more specific.

 

That may well be right....but if they committed a capital offence then the death penalty follows in some States. The Resolution went to using the death penalty for nothing more than social offences, like homosexual activity etc. And no, I am not as homosexual.

 

No it did not. That is your error. There is no reference to the US or any relevant activity of the US in that passage you quoted.

 

It made the assertion that countries that engage in capital punishment do so discriminatorily. It didn't name any countries specifically anywhere, just lumped them all that punish capitally in together. That's the problem.

 

And no way can it be said that the US is guilty of that, and it certainly did not even imply it in even the remotest manner. It was clearly directed at imposing the death penalty for what a foreign power regared as a social offence, like homosexuality.

The US failed to support the UN attempt to have that condemned.

 

There's always something more to the story. Let's hear from a very honest person called Jessica Stern, executive director of OutRight Action International, a global LGBTQ human rights organization. She's acknowledged that the U.S. vote on the U.N. resolution was misconstrued. "There's been some misreporting and misconceptions," Stern told NBC News. "The U.S. always opposes this death penalty resolution, because it makes reference to a global moratorium on the death penalty. For both Obama and Trump, so long as the death penalty is legal in the U.S., it takes this position." OutRight will call out the Trump administration on its many rights violations, its many abuses of power from LGBTI violations to xenophobia, but this particular instance is not an example of a contraction of support on LGBTI rights," Stern continued. "It would be a mistake to interpret its opposition to a death penalty resolution to a change in policy." https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...-clarifies-un-vote-death-penalty-gays-n807151

 

Have you read this Thread as well as the actual Resolution?

In no part of the Resolution will you find any support for this:

It simply and demonstrably DOES NOT as has already been discussed above.