Was Jesus a rapist?

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    Maybe that's because we are a Christian-majority nation, and the Bible says to mistreat women, I don't know.

    Does the Qur'an mistreat women? Please let us know.
     
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    426 references to “slave” on this Bible search: http://net.Bible.org/search.php?search=slave&page=13&order=book

    FYI: number of references to "democracy" in the Bible, just as an example: probably none.

    Also, so you're saying that if I could find a reference in the bible approving of BEATING a slave (no moral person would advocate beating another person obviously!) that you'd leave that belief system? Obviously since it's such a moral book, no one could ever ever find any verse approving of BEATING a slave, right? Especially not Jesus, right?
     
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    I'm only going to address the first one (Matthew 20:27) because I'm not going to waste my time trying going through all those scriptures to convince you otherwise......you have already have your mind made up. Matthew 20:27 (KJV)
    27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:



    Who do you think Jesus was talking to when He said those words? Do you really believe that He was justifying slavery or was He simply saying that if you are in a position of leadership you should not act like a tyrant but like you are slave.......you must be humble and serve others? What do you honestly think is meant here assuming that you are capable of being honest.
     
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    Just because someone calls themselves a Christian and walk about with a Bible and go to Church does not make them a Christian as defined under the New Covenant.
     
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    Jesus said, "On the last day many will come to me and say, DIDN'T I PROPHECY IN YOUR NAME AND DIDN'T I CAST OUT DEMONS IN YOUR NAME?" And Jesus will answer them, "I know you not, you are workers of iniquity."

    There are many workers of iniquity on this thread pretending to be christians.
     
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    And the operative word there is MANY.
     
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    A leader is not a slave. There is a difference between "slave" and "servant".

    While I'll admit that the odds are not 100% that the Bible is not inspired by some REAL "god/prophet", you have to admit that with all the many many MANY ridiculous passages, the violence, approval of rape, acceptance of incest, approval of genocide, approval of slavery (well, probably), inconsistencies etc. that the odds of it being wrong, while not 100%, are at least enough to give a Christian PAUSE, right?
     
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    A true lead is one that serves those they lead.....like a slave or servant would back then.. ....it is the world that has it wrong.....a leader is not to be the boss of anyone. Even Jesus used that tern to refer to Himself as one who served.

    Matthew 20:28 (NASB77)
    28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

    Jesus lived what He taught His disciples.....He gave His life for man as one who served.


    But I guess you want a leader that is a tyrant or someone that is out for themselves lead. So I guess you are one of those that loves the way a dictator.....don't let me see a post of you complaining about crooked politicians, because I'm going to remind you of what you said here.

    Jesus was letting His disciples know that they are not to be like the unbelievers who seek power for their own selfish gain. Martin Luther king was a man who lived by what Jesus said…..he served his people at the risk of his own life, even though he did not have to nor was he treated the same way many blacks were being treated.

    What is ridiculous to you makes sense to me just like what a blind man cannot see the sighted see as plain as day. And there are far far more incest going on in the good o'l U.S than what is mentioned in the entire Bible. And the Bible does not defend or support incest....it simply recorded what took place, unlike most American historians that tries to gloss over much of America's unpleasant history. God does not hide the flaws of His people.
     
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    How can you insult an imaginary person? Besides, he's dead if he existed in the first place.

    As it says in Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (MSG) = The living at least know something, even if it’s only that they’re going to die. But the dead know nothing and get nothing. They’re a minus that no one remembers. Their loves, their hates, yes, even their dreams, are long gone. There’s not a trace of them left in the affairs of this earth.
     
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    So Jesus is a leader or a servant?

    Those that honor him with words, but not their actions are fakes.
     
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    as he’s not around and him being 1 makes no difference in agreeing or disagreeing with what he allegedly said i don’t care if he was or not same with anyone else
     
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    The best leaders are those who realize that they serve their people as well as God. That applies to all leaders: managers, teachers, and yes, politicians.

    Absolutely true.
     
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    Quran and Bible are not proven ever, dot!
     
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    I find it very interesting that people who claim to not believe in God are so obsessed with trying to convince those who do that He does not…….they spend so much time discussing other people’s belief. What does it matter to you what someone else believe? It’s as if it’s a threat to their belief.
     
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    I don't care if you believe in an imaginary thing called "God". I think it's silly and a sign of insanity. What I do care about is that crazy people want to pass laws to force the rest of the herd to abide by their delusions as to what's right.
     
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    And what does a person's belief have to do with you? Is it anyone of your business? Do you want someone to constantly hounding and haranguing you because of what you don't believe or believe? We know, or at least I know that you don't believe in God.....you have said it many times already, so to constantly interjecting comments criticizing those who believe is disrespectful and is closer to being harassment than being respectful. And this goes to all none believers as well.......for people who hate religion you'll spend a lot of time here though.

    Sitting in here and criticizing what other people believe is not going to do anything for you politically, if anything it’s only going to work against you because it could make a lot of believers more determine make politicians make laws that you may not like.
     
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    I'm suprised this thread is still here - the guy who started it admitted he knew it was BS in the OP, he just started it in response to people saying Muhammed was a rapist or a pedophile, so the thread is pure flamebait, nothing more.
     
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    That just shows that there's no difference between Christian and Islamic fanatics. They both want everyone to live under their respective rules, even if it requires the use of deadly force.
     
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    This thread is clearly rubbish.

    Jesus was a poofter, a gay, a shirt lifter and an uphill gardener.

    Rape indeed, he was as gay as a maypole. Why else did the dude never get married?
    Easy, he was stabbing Judas up the arse.
     
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    This is different form how any other rules would be established, how?.
     
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    Another theory used to attck Christianity. One moment he is having sexual relations with Mary Magdalene. The next Jesus is homosexual. Did you not hear the latest news?, apparently Jesus was married.
    There is no proof Jesus was gay, there is no proof Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene, there is no proof Jesus was ever married.
    You, may choose to have the opinion Jesus was gay if you wish, but that says to me more about you than it does Jesus.
     
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    I don't see you and other none believers doing anything different......they/you too want to impose what they believe on others.......why else is there so much unbelievers in the religious section constantly trying to convince others that God does not exist?
     
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    I am not cleaning up this mess. I ask everyone to refer to the rules for information about personal attacks, flamebait and the thread creation guidelines. Thanks.
     
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