What does Islam say about non-Muslims?

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  1. tealwings

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    There is a very liberal Christian church in my area ( One I use to belong to) that started a program to see Muslims as our neighbors...I thought it was great and very needed considering all the mistrust and hate. Now I look at this church site and its all about respecting Muslims with a huge picture of a holy site ( the black box) or "house of God" . I cant remember the actual name.
    Welcoming everyone yes... but this just doesn't seem right to me.
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    In Arabic, Allah means God. In Islam, Allah is the God of the Bible - a work in which they believe.

    I find it weird to hear people say they believe in God, but not Allah. There are differences between Christianity and Islam, but I don't see a justification for suggesting that they have to do with the name by which they call the God of the Bible.
     
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    But Islam does not agree with the Bible. Therefore, when muslims say we all believe in the same God, that's a lie.
     
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    No, but believers is too broad of a label.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    There is a church like that here in Seattle.

    A group called Interfaith Amigos includes an Imam, a Pastor and a Rabbi. They can be seen on TED talks, etc.
    http://interfaithamigos.com/About_Us.html

    In my opinion, we should spend a little more time on understanding what is shared.
     
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    Not even all Christians agree on the Bible.

    Describing your religious differences as you believing in god and others NOT believing in god doesn't make sense to me when both you and the others believe in the Bible.

    Few Christians accept the views of Judaism regarding Jesus, etc.

    Do you say that Jews don't believe in the same God?
     
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    I still think it is weird to differentiate between the three major Abrahamic faiths by having different names for God.

    Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the god of the bible. There is a reasonably broad range of belief within Christianity, and they all believe in the god of the bible, though the don't all agree on who Jesus was, how to get to heaven, whether salvation is permanent or may be lost, etc.

    Arabic just happens to have a different name for god - not surprising, given that it's a different language. So does Hebrew, though many see it as too holy to be spoken.
     
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    That's true within Christianity, too.

    Christians don't all have the same view of biblical issues - even when it comes to salvation.

    I just don't see justification for suggesting that different interpretations of the bible warrant accusing someone of not believing in God.
     
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    Let's be specific here. Mainstream Christians believe Jesus is God. Muslims don't.
     
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    Nope. Christians and Jews believe in the same God. Muslims don't. Islam isn't biblical.
     
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    Neither do Jews.

    Do you state that Jews don't believe in god?

    Also, the following Christian denominations do not accept trinitarianism:
    Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses[118], Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, the Seventh Day Church of God, Unitarian Universalist Christians, United Church of God, and a couple others.

    Do you say that they don't believe in god?

    I don't accept this notion that "believe in god" means that someone believes exactly what YOU believe. Obviously, there is a mainstream or majority Christian viewpoint, but saying that all others don't believe in god is nonsense.

    When you approach someone from the United Church of God do you state that they don't believe in God???
     
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    In what way is the god of Judaism different from the god of Islam?
     
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    They do. But they don't believe in Muhammad. They are disbelievers when it comes to Islam, but not when it comes to Allah. (unless they are)
     
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    Jews don't believe in jesus at all. Muslims do. Jesus is a prophet to Muslims and God to some Christians. Jesus is not to Jews. Here Christians and Muslims are closer to each other than Jews and Christians.

    Yet Muslims believe largely in the same earlier prophets... Granted there are differences in the stories. Like in the Quran Moses didn't break the tablets god gave him and Lot wasn't (a prophet at all in the bible?) raped by his daughters.
     
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    So, Lot willingly took part in incest?

    Or, did something else happen?
     
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    Mormons are not Christians, neither are Jehovah's witnesses. Jesus Himself said many will claim to know Him, but He will cast them out. Isn't that true?
     
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    The God of the Bible is not the god of the Quran. There are millions of Christian Jews. The Apostles were Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The Old Testament has many prophecies of a Messiah. There are no prophecies of Islam or Mohammed.
     
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    We don't believe in the same God. My God is Jesus Christ.
     
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    There are millions of Jews that believe Jesus is God. You don't believe Jesus is the Creator God.
     
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    They don't believe in the bible the same way Christians do. (One example, they claim they believe in the texts of the bible, but claim Jesus was just a prophet)
    Also, for most muslims, their conception of God is generally different from the Christian/Jewish conception.
    There might be some overlap for a smaller number of muslims, and especially muslims who are not as much familiar with their religious traditions.
     
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    Sure, but that doesn't mean you've correctly chosen the ones he will cast out.

    Also, you only addrssed two of those in my list, and that list was base on only one criterion.

    Also, Matthew 25, 31 on suggests there are a lot of mainstream protestants and Catholics who may have DQ'ed themselves - those claiming to know him, but cast out.
     
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    I don't see an argument for thinking that Jews believe in god but Muslims don't.

    As for Jesus, Muslims see Jesus as the second highest prophet of god, the only one to perform miracles through the power of god.

    Judaism views Jesus as the most damaging of all false messiahs.

    You just can't use Jesus as a justification for claiming Muslims don't believe in God - especially when also claiming that Jews DO believe in God.
     
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    You're mixing Judaism the religion and herredity, leaving a total jumble.

    Judaism sees Jesus as the most damaging of all false messiahs.

    Muslims see Jesus as the penultimate prophet. Claiming there are no Muslim prophets makes no sense, as Jesus is a prophet of Islam.

    Obviously, a Jew may convert to Christianity and a nonJew may embrace Judaism.
     
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    The Christians killed each other in large numbers over their scism with the Pope...True story..
     
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    Jesus is the fulfillment of Judaism. Jesus is a Jew. The disciples were Jews. Christianity is the completion or fulfillment of Judaism. Jesus is NOT a prophet of Islam. There is no mention of that in Scripture. Islam is a lie.
     

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