What does Islam say about non-Muslims?

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    There are several Gods in the Bible, each with his own unique name.
     
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    I was talking about Judaism. I didn't mean to suggest anything about how a Muslim would achieve heaven. While I don't claim significant knowledge on that point, we did cover that in my Arabic language class, as our instructure was a devout Muslim from Morocco. She steadfastly refused to have us read modern newspapers and other such material, as what's happening in various places just drives her stark raving crazy. So, we read more Qur'an - which isn't really good enough, as there really needs to be some scholarship behind it - reading about a foreign religion in a foreign language doesn't really do it.

    Anyway, many Christians fall into this trap of accepting that those of the Jewish faith worship god, but that those of Islamic faith do not.

    Yet, I don't see any justification for that, as the differences between any two of the three seem about equally significant.
     
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    Unless it's specifically calling out the name of a false or evil god, they all refer to the same god.
     
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    Do some reading. You will find that Islam absolutely does revere the Bible. They revere Jesus, too - seeing him as the second highest prophet and the only human to have ever performed a miracle (through close communion with god). They don't view him as part of a trinity like most (but not all) Christians do. On the other hand, Judaism sees Jesus as a false messiah - a horrible event that befell humanity.

    It's true that Muslims spend most of their time with the Qur'an, which they see as God's last message to man through Muhammad - much like they see the NT as god's message to mankind through Jesus (not that the message is interpreted in the same way).

    Personally, I don't accept any of the three. But, I believe we need to be tolerant of a variety of religious beliefs. America is founded on religious freedom. Feel free to try to convert someone, I guess, but let's try to be civil and get along.

    Let's remember Matthew 25:31 - end, stronger than the golden rule. Let's remember the lack of political motivation that Jesus showed with the Samaritan and others.
     
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    I have no interest in reading the Koran. It's not relevant. Words are just words and not always indicative of reality.
    Freedom and treating those whom we disagree with respectfully are crucial values for our way of life. Islamic nations tend to turn totaltarian because our values are not their values.

    I'm not being uncivil. I'm being honest. The God of the Hebrews is the same God of Christianity. Jews and Christians share values that come from the character of God. Thus you have israel.. the only solid and stable democracy within the middle east. Jews thrive in democracies and freedom. Muslims struggle with those basic concepts. Just evidence that the God of the Hebrews is not Allah.
     
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    Muslims also have the golden rule. Your problem is just ignorance,
     
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    Scripture disagrees with you. Also what about Rabbi Schneider?
    https://discoveringthejewishjesus.com/about-2/rabbi-schneider/
     
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    You lost me when you say Abraham was a fictitious character. Bye.
     
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    I've corrected you once on this before. Muslims do not revere the bible. More like despise the way it is revered by Christians.
     
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    Correct. If Muslims revered the Bible they wouldn't be muslims. They'd be Christians.
     
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    It's no coincidence that the people who hate Muslims the most are the ones who know the least about them, have never set foot in an Islamic country or want to steal more of their land.
     
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    Well there was no US of the Chaldeans at the time of Moses. The area was a swamp before the river was diverted... and he had no camels. The story has value as a morality tale but it not history..


    The history of the cities of the plan are also bogus They had been destroyed a thousand years before Abraham.
     
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    You're wrong.. The bible if revered as an earlier revelation.
     
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    You are dead wrong..Are you Boko Haram or al Shabab or just out or touch with reality?
     
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    Your comment makes no sense as a response to my comments. Try debating the points made if you can.
     
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    Well I don't know, don't Baha'is revere the bible?
     
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    How am I wrong?
     
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    The bible is not considered revelation at all. Only the Gospel is.
     
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    The Torah is considered Revelation to the jews. The Koran is considered a Revelation to the Muslims.. The Bible is considered Revelation o the Christians.

    You might try dictionary.
     
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    I don't know a thing about Baha'is. All I know is that the Bible is the Word of God and the Quran is a Lie.
     
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    I mean for Muslims it isn't revelation. Nor for any intelligent Christians either...
     
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    Baha'is believe in both and more, even if they have to cherry pick a little (a lot) to make everything fit.
     
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    yep, that is pretty much what Christians say about Muslims and Muslims say about Christians

    I say they are both ancient middle eastern myths
     
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    That depends upon the time and place
    U
     
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