What does Islam say about non-Muslims?

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  1. WillReadmore

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    No, Jesus could only be the fullfillment of Judaism if Judaism agrees. And, they most emphatically do not. They see Jesus as a false messiah, doing huge damage to the Abrahamic faith in which they believe. You don't have the privelege of changing Judaism.

    I'm not asking you to convert to Islam. But, let's be rational about this.

    If you want to start suggesting that people who don't share your exact system of belief don't believe in God, at the VERY least you have to be consistent.

    That is, you have to extend that statement not just to Islam, but to Judaism and many divisions of Christianity as well.

    OR, I would suggest that you accept that Muslims worship god, but that you don't share their beliefs - like you don't share the beliefs of many Christians and all those of Judaism.
     
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    True. You're not a genuine Christian.
    They got him drunk and raped him to get pregnant.
    And that can't apply to you just as well because...?
     
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    Judaism does agree. The problem is many Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. I am being rational. The Messiah is prophesied in the Old Testament. Christians and Jews agree on the Old Testament. We all believe it to be Scripture. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament that prophecies about Islam or Mohammed.
     
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    Genuine Christians believe Jesus is God in the flesh. Sorry, you've been taught a lie.
     
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    No, Judaism believes Jesus is a fake Messiah - the worst thing to happen to mankind.

    I'm sure you can find some Jews who converted to Christianity. That's not the issue. The issue is Judaism.

    Yes, the OT contains prophecies of the coming of a messiah - that is also NOT the issue.

    The OT doesn't contain prophecies concerning any NT prophet or any Muslim prophet. So, I don't know what your point is on that one.
     
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    What is your objective here, Ron? Why don't you post Christian blood libel against Jews or what the Talmud says about Jesus?
     
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    Infidel. Historically, the term has been used by Christians to describe those outside their religious group.

    The term infidel comes from the Latin word infidelis, which means "unbelieving" or "unfaithful.".

    During the Middle Ages (c. 450 – c.1500 C.E. ), the Catholic Church used the term to describe Muslims.
     
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    Muslims also believe in the God of Abraham... the creator. Allah is just Arabic for God. Did you know that Germans, French, Italians and Spanish also have words for "God"?

    According to the Talmud, Jesus is plunged for eternity in boiling hot excrement The Talmud greatly permeates Jewish life, including the material aspects of everyday existence. It is the transcription of the Jewish oral tradition. A fundamental work of Judaism, it is meant to serve as a code of canon law and civil law.

    According to the Talmud, Jesus is plunged for eternity in ...
    robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/1995/03/according-to-talmud-jesus-is-plunged.html
     
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    No Judaism has nothing to say about Jesus, only the Jews that don't believe He is the Messiah. The Church was composed of Jews at its birth. Regarding prophecy, Jesus is the fulfillment of Jewish Law and Prophets. The fact that you agree there is nothing mentioned about Mohammed and Islam proves my point that Islam is not an "Abrahamic religion".
     
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    Islam is not an Abrahamic religion. Sorry. The promise of the covenant was the Messiah. Nothing there about Mohammed or Islam.
     
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    Once again, you're just mixing up a religion and a people.

    And, I already pointed out to you that the Judaic view of Jesus is FAR harsher than the Islamic view of Jesus.

    Those of the Jewish faith have just as much reason to suggest YOU don't believe in an Abramaic religion, as YOU fell for the false messiah.
     
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    I went to Sunday school, Vacation Bible school, sang in the Choir, participated in the Christmas play and the Easter Sunrise Service for 13 years with a perfect attendance record in Saudi Arabia. How much time did you spend in Arabia?
     
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    Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.. You don't have much education.

    Muhammed said , "Be kind to the Christians, they are nearest us in faith.
     
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    What about the hundreds of thousands of Jews that are Christians? What about the first Christians all being Jews?
     
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    In Muhammed's sermons he always started out: "Save yourselves, I cannot save you. return to the God of Abraham."
     
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    Muhammad was a liar and child molester.
     
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    Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God. Its completely obvious. I don't know why it's so important for people to pretend....

    And it's quite dangerous to convert to Christianity when you live in an Islamic country, within a Muslim family. If the government doesn't execute you, your friends and family will. Islam is it's own religion, it's own god, it's own godly values.
     
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    The Jews that are Christians are CHRISTIANS! They didn't choose Judaism.

    The first Christians were of Jewish ancestry, because that's where it started. This is another place where you mix up racial heritage and religion.
     
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    There is no justification for this idea.

    Muslims revere the Bible including the NT. They accept Jesus as a major prophet, the only prophet to ever perform a miracle - which is far better than Judaism accepting Jesus as a fake messiah and the worst thing that could have happened on earth so far, while denying the NT.
     
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    I am curious about your expertise and education. Abraham was a fictitious character so how do you know he promised the land to the Jews or that there was covenant?
    Circumcision was practice by Egyptians and by Arabs long before Islam. The Talmud says that Jesus is boiling in excrement for eternity. The Muslims revere Jesus and the virgin Mary and all the patriarch. Muhammed's sermons told the Arabs to return to the God of Abraham.

    When you say the "messiah was the covenant" what to you mean?
     
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    Which Muslim countries are you speaking of? Muslims revere the God of Abraham and Jesus ... In fact, Abraham has six sons by his Arab wife Keturah.

    Moses had an Arab wife name Zipporah.

    If you hate Obama, you should know he was named after a Jewih general who fought for Deborah.

    Have you ever read you Bible?
     
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    No.. Muhammed wasn't a child molester. Aisha was born before Call so she was somewhere between the ages of 17 and 19 when she married.

    Where are you getting your bad information from?
     
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    Muslims don't believe in blood sacrifice or atonement of sin nor do they believe in Original sin. They believe god forgave Adam an Eve.. and believe that each man is accountable to go for his own sins.

    How did they get such bad information?
     
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    Can't believe you are working so hard to sell something clearly empty of reality. Where do you see this Bible reverence in Islamic majority countries.

    There is no justification for your argument. Just because someone says something does not make it true. Reality is the true evidence.
    Islamic values don't mirror the character of God....which is why western civilization is entirely different from islamic civilization. Which is why islam is at odds with western societies. Values don't mesh and values come from the creator.
     
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