What is your take away from the 2020 election?

I would agree that urbanites tend to be more sacrificial of their" individual liberty". Individual liberty comes with individual responsibility. They tend to sell out both. I am not buying that they are relegated to the past. As I have said before.....oil and water don't mix. They can become more like me, but I am not going to concede and become more like them.

 

Last time I can think of was JFK. I was a kid then but I remember a Democrat saying "ask not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country. Haven't heard anything like that from a Democrat since. My father, a staunch Republican didn't like JFK until after he was elected. Though they had minor differences, my Dad conceded he was a great man with flaws like we all have. Not a Socialist!
When you talk about groups being discriminated against, the terms "identity politics" and "collectivism" come to mind. My solution would be for people to think of themselves as "individuals highly valuable". We are not victims as the Democrat Party would now promote. All that have raised themselves up think of themselves as "individuals empowered".

 

a President can use the postal service to deny people the right to vote, thankfully Trump failed at this though, only a few were denied because of the postal service not processing them in time, had he not been caught early on though, who knows what would have happened

the postal service is a government entity, we need to make sure peoples votes are not denied cause this government entity slows down the processing of ballots

 

Yes, I see. Yes, in states where mail-in is allowed, a county registrar's webpage should allow you to check a box if you want your ballot mailed. (Or you could select it in person at the county office.) If it is mailed, you would not be allowed to vote in person. And yes, your initial voter registration should require the presentation of a notarized birth certificate or proof of citizenship along with picture ID.

 

On that note ... did you happen to catch any of the alternative Republican convention? Aside from too much emphasis on god, I found myself in agreement with nearly every aspect of their platform. These are all anti-Trump Republicans, and all centrists.

Google the Convention on Founding Principles. I think you will like it.

 

That isn't a national issue. Every state has its own election rules.

 

I live in Colorado. All voting is by mail-in ballots and has been for years. There has been no fraud to speak of.

In this state, registering to vote IS requesting a mail-in ballot. This "unsolicited ballot" nonsense is a Trump refrain that never made any sense. This election, states that had previously required voters to request a mail-in ballot simply did what Colorado, Oregon, Washington, and Utah have been doing: sent ballots to all registered voters. This allowed voters to participate without the need to expose themselves to possible infection by the virus.

There was no "massive voter fraud" as Trump has constantly claimed. He lost.

 

You know....I believe the emphasis on "Individual Liberty" comes from a belief in God and is found throughout scripture.

 

"Never let a crisis go to waste" isn't that the phrase coined by Rahm Emmanuel? Anyway, leftists embrace that concept. This time they used fear of the China Virus to flip an election. Problem is.....a lot of us have never been afraid.

 

If we take away the fundamental right of states deciding how they choose their electors, my very solid, unwavering support for the EC goes out the window, and I'll have to agree that the popular vote will decide elections.

I won't support an amendment that takes away that very important right from the states unless that is part of it.

Be careful what you wish for. In a country-wide vote, republicans will never get the WH again. I am not a fan of doing it that way.

States don't even have to ask its' citizens who they prefer as president. They could have a beer pong tourney to decide, if they want. I'm okay with that.

 

Hm. My Libertarian self disagrees that god is a part of my desire for max freedom for everyone.

 

Do you speak of freedom of the INDIVIDUAL or the collective. There is a difference you know. I know tons of Libertarians that believe in God. Some don't. The ones that do understand Salvation is for the INDIVIDUAL. We do not come to believe as a "collective." That's not to say if you are an atheist that believes that "Individual Rights" are supreme I'm not on your side. Our rights do not come from Government.

 

The only thing I believe the Fed should have a mandate over as far as elections go is that there should be a defined date when votes are due and counts should be in at a defined time.

 

Max freedom for everyone, means max freedom for everyone.

I want you to be free to do what you like with your life, without any interference from government, as long as you don't hinder what I'm doing with my life.

These are pretty basic concepts.

You don't want to bake a cake? Don't bake the cake.

You don't want to serve redheads? Don't serve redheads.

You want to smoke pot? Smoke pot.

You want to marry someone who is the same sex as you? Do that.

You want to own a gun and enter gun shooting competitions? Do that.

Etc., etc., etc.

Main point - Victimless crime should not be a thing. No victim? No crime.

 

They already do have a deadline. You got your wish!


I think it's December 14.

 

We need to return more autonomy of government to the states so theres less reason to fight over who's running FedGov.

 

I believe we'd all get along a whole lot better if each state could run it's own experiments on how to run a society.

First on my list - Secretary of Education. GONE. Let states decide how to educate their kids. Then we get back to disagreements about ideas, and not the personalities of the clowns in DC.

 

exactly, in fact, Trump might have harmed himself by making his voters anti-mail in the ballot, how many Trump voters did not vote that would have had he not done that

though I think some on the left may not of voted because of that too, I know in my republican state, mail in was very confusing, they sent us tons of absentee ballot letters, no one knew what to trust, so people like me voted in person, Trump won my State, so there is that

 

I understand all of that. I do not want to live in a culture where a large segment operates on Meth. Can you understand that concern?

 

I understand states tried to count votes coming in after Nov. 3rd.

 

Yes. They all have their own rules. State's rights thing.

Nevada allows nine days, Florida zero, Wisconsin, three.

You don't get more meth heads by decriminalizing meth.

If you add up the costs of police, courts and prison time for meth users, and spent it on education and treatment instead, we'd save oodles of money and not turn otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals. In addition, we need to get on board with mental health care. Most heavy drug users are self-medicating, due to an undiagnosed chemical imbalance.

I have personal experience with this problem.

 

NAIL ON THE HEAD!!! WHY PEOPLE SUPPORTED TRUMP!!!

 

Well because it is a National election and I don't like the possibility of Ballot Harvesting.....I'll just have to disagree with you acknowledging there is some things we agree on.

The chemical imbalance thing is more than often an excuse for poorly managed individual behavior. With chemical imbalance excusing us from responsible behavior......there is no responsible behavior.

Are you saying you have had a meth problem? If you have and recovered....my hat's off to you. Not many do. I have dealt personally and in business with those who unashamedly delight in the use. They are unpredictable, haughty, deceitful, and have no place in the culture.

 

I know that. Just sayin'...

 

1. We don't have a national election. We have 50 state elections. We have these elections on the same day. State's aren't even required to ask their citizens on who they'd like to be president.
2. It's a legit thing. We have far more undiagnosed people with chemical imbalances than you may realize. Most people don't set out to be drug addicts. Their brain is craving something. (It's not a global statement, just far more than you are recognizing.)
3. I'm bi-polar, but was undiagnosed for the first 40 years of my life. My cocaine issue in the late 80's is attributed to my attempt to self medicate, according to my doctors

We do agree sometimes. You have acknowledged this several times. Each time I say something you disagree with, though, you go right back to painting me with an extreme left brush.