Once again, you and your ilk who make excuses for this type of behavior by our own government, are the only sorry excuses to be seen. Being called un-American by bootlickers like you, should come as a badge of honor. but hey, at least you're in good company.
Yes, collecting cell phone metadata is equivalent to being a Nazi. This is the kind of logic I expect from Snowden supporters. Bunch of nut jobs who have no connection to reality.
I know you're not very smart, but I'm comparing you to the sheeple that mindlessly supported wrong doing. Way to miss the mark for the thousandth time. Don't you have a pro government rally you should be goose stepping at?
I'm actually very intelligent. You are just a fringe tin foiler that couldn't care less of the consequences that might come from Snowden's actions. You don't care about America, you don't care about Americans, you simply care about yourself and don't have any loyalty to this nation. It's embarrassing. I guess you just simply have nothing to lose.
Canada is part of it. You aren't paying attention. Nobody expected the intelligence community to say "caught us... we give up". If the FISA court ruled differently it would be interpreted as knowing they were wrong to do it to begin with. They will grab power till someone stops them. Show us your papers. Let's take a look at two months in the life of Malte Spitz's life. http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention Go ahead... click play. Stop along the way and see what's going on. It's FUN! It is really more Stasi than Nazi...
No one is spying on American citizens illegally. You are just confused, so is Snowden. I do not have to agree with your definition of what is constitutional or what isn't. That is why we have the Supreme Court, that is why we set up courts like the FISC, that is why people spend years studying Constitutional Law. While you just sit here doing nothing, telling us how the Constitution that was written over 200 years ago when they used carrier pigeons for communication, applies to the present day. The Supreme Court has already made case law defining that you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to the information you knowingly pass through to a 3rd party. Just because you disagree does not give you the right to become traitors and criminals and get away with it. No one voted for Snowden to make decisions on what America can and can't do. I don't need some little nut job high school drop out making decisions on my behalf. He deserves the death penalty and it's embarrassing the amount of support he is getting from weak minded Americans that are too spoiled to understand or care about what our Intelligence agencies have to go through.
You believe anything you hear or read on the internet, even though none of what you say is actually validated. Like your attempt to prove that analysts can search whoever they want without any approval. That was disproved really easily. Or your attempt to say they collect 1 billion phone calls a day. That was never proven and in fact where that information came from didn't even say that they were, they simply said they have the technology to do so. You are a conspiracy theorist.
Like I said, Snowden provided no real evidence that he or anyone can do what he was claiming. If he had took screen shots, even spied on himself just to show how it works, he would have a lot more credibility. But the guy even lies about his salary, he is on the run and trying to make himself seem more important than he really is. There is no evidence that the NSA is actually spying on American people and they have no control over their analysts.
You don't think the constitution applies to the present day? Like it can just be waived by executive decree or SC "interpretation" because it's out-of-date? It does not matter how old the supreme law is. It is the supreme law. It says what it says in plain enough language. The spying is illegal, the secret courts are illegal, the secret interpretations of law are illegal, it's all illegal. I don't need a bunch of murderers, kidnappers, torturers, thieves, and liars making decisions on my behalf. They are the ones who deserve the death penalty. Not the people who shine a light on their wrongdoing. It's embarrassing that anyone who calls themselves an American would defend such a corrupt and murderous regime.
Lmao!! This is all the 4th amendment says The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. So is it unreasonable for the government to have access to telephone calls going through a 3rd party? The Supreme Court ruled it was not unreasonable. They have ruled that wiretapping phones is a violation of the 4th with out an appropriate warrant. I'm sorry, but there has been centuries of interpreting the Constitution and we have an entire court system set up for exactly this interpretation and how it applies to new technologies. Your interpretation of what is "unreasonable" is not an official interpretation. It's simply your opinion.
That is an assertion you can not prove. And the overwhelming majority of the available evidence directly contradicts your assertion. BFD. Our (*)(*)(*)(*)-for-brains Supreme Idiots spent years studying too, and look what we're getting out of them - buildings are people, money is speech, penalties are taxes, .... Ah. You must be a Constitution-hating leftist. Well, thank you for clarifying that. See, this is the problem with you arrogant (*)(*)(*)(*)-for-brains leftists. Are you even listening to what you're saying? The Supreme Court doesn't "make" law, pal. They're forbidden from doing so by the Constitution. That thing you hate so much. The highest law in our land. Hm. An angry leftist too. Well, it's about time you clowns got angry again. Most of y'all sold out. What happened to the hippies? They all became stock brokers. Ha.
Actually there is no "evidence" that they are. Just you guys making stuff up and listening to liars and clowns. They are intelligent. You on the other hand should not be making policy or legal decisions for any of us. We'd be a 3rd world country in no time. Not a leftist at all. A moderate that cares about his country. I didn't say they "make" law. I said they made case law, which is the official and final interpretation of constitutional law. They are the people that are legally allowed to interpret the Constitution. Not you, not Snowden, not I are given that power. So just because you don't agree with their decisions does not give you any authority to become traitors and American hating extremist. Not a leftist at all. But whatever I am, it's much better than being an angry American hating libertarian extremist.
It was more of just an example of how the Constitution has very interpretable wording. I can imagine what your interpretation of unreasonable is.
No, you're not intelligent. You prove that every time you open your piehole. People like you are the kooks. I've see wanton abuse from our government for the last decade or more. Lying our country into a war, torture, corruption, cronyism, gun running, and the list continues. It's people like you who are a threat to this country and it's people, since you do nothing but systematically apologize for actions by our elected and unelected officials. Now you have the gaul to sit there and call people traitors for being outraged by the current (*)(*)(*)(*) they're trying to pull, are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing serious? Listen little boy, I've gave up more than you can ever comprehend for this country. Just because you're too foolish to not see the possible abuse this criminal agency is pulling, doesn't mean the rest of us are willfully blind. Now go pound on your keyboard some more, while the rest mock you for what you are.
First off, I'm very intelligent and you should just ask me questions to learn something for a change instead of speaking and showing everyone how unintelligent you really are. Second off, man up!! The world has always and will always be a violent place. What Snowden did had nothing to do with wars, with torture, gun running, etc. He simply stole documents listing off some programs that the NSA uses to track communications. The world is too complex and dangerous for you, I suggest you stick with wearing your tin foil helmet and living in the woods instead of worrying about real world issues.
So you are imagining what my opinion might be and then making declarations about it. OK. Got it. Sounds kind of arrogant to me... Only a person with an agenda would be interested in "interpreting" the constitution, IMO. Like I said, it is written in plain-enough language. I've read it myself enough times. I have read and considered the opinions of the founders, scholars and others on the matter. I don't need the regime or some internet dude to tell me what it says. Taken in context with everything else the regime is doing, it's not too hard to figure out what all the surveillance is about. That you defend it tells me all I need to know about you.
Listen, this is how the country works. You have ideas, I have ideas, you interpret things one way, I interpret things one way, etc, etc. You can say that for 310,000,000 people in this country (even though this includes babies, you get the point). That is why we have courts. It is not written in "plain-enough language". It says nothing about whether who you call or who calls you that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. It is only written in "plain-enough language" for ideologues who use it to push their political philosophies. I have my own thoughts, not all agree with the Supreme Court, not all agree with current law... but I'm not gonna become a traitor because I think my way of thinking and my way of living should be forced on every American. You and people like Snowden are giving yourselves your own powers to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means. No way Kimosabe, I did not elect you to tell me what the Constitution means. You will have to do it the old fashion way and not become criminals and traitors.
Ok, you've failed to address anything I said, or completely missed the point. Wow. How is that even possible? I can only hope you brave enough to call someone a traitor in front of their face, instead of hiding like a coward behind your keyboard. That way you'll get smacked on the snout like a misbehaving pup. Your idiocy isn't even worth paying attention too, anymore.
Lmao!! I would call you a traitor to your face any day of the week bro. Don't act tough on the internet, it is declasse. Just because you hate America and hate your life, does not give you the right to be traitors and criminals. Sorry, we did not vote for you or Snowden to make decisions on our behalf. You guys are rejects that no one would ever vote for in their lives because people do not like ideological freaks unless they are so poor that they have no choice. If you don't like the country you live in, try to change it. Don't be little babies and start committing crimes just because you aren't getting your way. The most embarrassing and pathetic thing I've ever seen is people who support someone like Snowden. That coward deserves the death penalty.
You didn't disprove the argument you avoided it. Your historical timeline stops at how Clapper and Hayden replied BEFORE the actual policies were published. It shows that all "incidental" data is fair game. It shows that the agent is left to his ethics... that is why they have a big (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sign up in the office that says "Who is a US person". They do not, however, have this sign hanging in all of the 850,000 agents and contractors in this country, or the God only knows how many in as few as 5 other countries office. How deep does this incidental data go? According to the NSA which could be telling the truth... 3 hops. In order to stay loyal... you must begin by killing all messengers. Snowden is a liar and a traitor, so are the various presses all over the world who are publishing these documents. The outrage in congress has to be manufactured. I must be a liar, and a traitor... Your liars in intelligence aren't really liars, they have to lie to us, to keep us safe... and they have not circumvented the fourth amendment. Your private conversations are not your private conversations... there is no privacy. "Don't have a reasonable expectation to privacy over skype"... that's why people video bone on it... because it isn't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing private... You want to live in a totalitarian state, there are plenty to choose from. I side with liberty. What are three hops? Lets say everyone in the the world has 10 contacts, and you are a target. You and all then of those friends information and communication with you are target data. One hop, gets all of their contacts and communications. So each of these folks have 10 contacts. That is 100 US Citizens. That is 1 hop. 2 hops puts you at 1000 US Citizens. Hop 3 is 10,000 US Citizens. Most people have more than 10 contacts. This says nothing about businesses. Terrorists have jobs and (*)(*)(*)(*) too. There are lots of targets... and so log as it begins on a foreign line with some excuse to be curious, you can collect millions in a single swath.
Once again, you are just displaying what they "could do" if they were corrupt and wanted to do. I don't care that 10,000 US Citizens could be under suspicion if they are closely related to a terrorist. Even amongst non-terrorist they search criminals phone records for contacts. It makes sense to me that they would say, hey this person is contacting this individual a lot, who is this person associated with, to try to draw some kind of communication network. It makes sense if you believe they are actually tracking terrorist. It is scary if you believe they are just randomly gathering data to destroy innocent American lives. I honestly couldn't care less about the "three hop" thing. That makes as much sense as it would for someone trying to track terrorist communications.
So now I'm an ideologue on the way to being a traitor and I need a lecture on "how the country works", eh? Treason is defined in the constitution, BTW, but I guess it's not in plain-enough language for you to understand. Snowden took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. He's doing a good job as far as I'm concerned. I have also taken that oath...
Ahhh yes, he is doing a good job upholding "your constitution". He is a criminal according to America's Constitution. The fact you are a Constitutionalist and think it is alright for someone to leak classified information about our spying operations on foreign countries is hilarious. The Constitution says absolutely nothing about whether or not our country can spy on other countries. Snowden had a vendetta against the US government. He was not trying to help the American people out, he wasn't doing this for anyone else but himself. He is an ideological freak that decided he didn't like his government and he was going to attempt to destroy it as much as possible including leaking information that has absolutely nothing to do with our Constitutional rights.
