Which is more compassionate, Trump's wall or Jesus' wall?

It's the same because all of the Latinos can be converted to become Americans the same as all Buddhist, Muslim etc., can be converted and become Christians.

 

I don't know about that and that.

In many countries the only ex-muslim is a dead muslim. Good luck trying to convert ALL of them...

 

So where does it explicitly say that non-Christians, who don't "believe" in the magic Jesus, get into the invisible magic kingdom up in the sky? The answer is it does NOT say that, that's why Christians live their lives so incredibly SCARED of "hell" if they dare to think for themselves and not decide to "believe" in the magic zombie* from Nazareth.

*Those that die and come back to life are called zombies.

 

Go back and read my first post.

 

Now youvd changed it from Jesus to God. Which is it? Make you your mind. Iv said it over and over but it seems we have to do this again. I can’t answer your question until you are capable of displaying some concept of understanding the subject. You clearly have no concept of what heaven or hell is or how that all works. You clearly have no concept of who Christ is or who God even is. You clearly have no concept of the crucifixtion or it’s purpose. And much more. So what possible benefit would there be to giving an explanation to your question (which I believe is a legitimate question) when you clearly would not comprehend my response?

Are you at least willing to try and educate yourself somewhat on this thing you hate so much?

 

But what if they believe in the SCIENCE that (god, apparently?) gave us, so they can't buy a magical tale with dragons, unicorns, giants, a man living inside a giant for 3 DAYS, invisible angels, invisible "demons", invisible "Satan", orcs....(wait, I think one of those is not actually in the Bible,) etc.? They can't believe in science and believe in the unscientific fairy-tale like story. They don't deserve eternal torture for just believing in science, now do they? They also can differentiate the Jesus story from the other THOUSANDS of very similar stories from other religions. God/Jesus is simply the most unfair creature to have ever lived.

 

Actually it does. Congrats. Yet another example of you not knowing what the hell you are talking about. And oh look more bigotry. Shocker.

 

Maybe we should talk about exactly what "believe" means.
Believe in his message? Belief in a metaphysical sense?
Trust and confidence in a spiritual being who is obviously not physically present?
Belief because the Son = the Father ?

 

Again you display your ignorance on the subject since you seem to think religion and science are mutually exclusive. They are not. Just another example of your bigotry since you think Christians are just a bunch of backwards unscientific fools who believe in unicorns.

So what happened in your life to fill you with so much hate?

 

An ETHICAL god would of course not let Moses into "heaven" - he's hell-bound because that psycho slaughtered more people than even BIN LADEN ON 9/11! That psycho heard voices in his head and had 3000 people slaughtered (they didn't deserve it, they just didn't believe the voices in Moses' head were real): "....and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day...." - Exodus 32:25-28 (NASB)

Clearly a psycho god. Charles Manson looks more sane than the kooks in that book.

 

Moses is obviously going to heaven. Jesus said the criminal hanging up on a cross next to him was going to paradise, and that man had admitted that he was getting what he deserved.

 

I'm full of love - and I love, say, Muslims, so much that I myself, if I had Jesus' alleged magic Ninja super-hero powers, would let at least ethical Muslims into "heaven" and avoid brutal barbaric worse-than-Saddam like torture in God/Jesus' barbaric "lake of fire". That's because I'm a more loving person than God/Jesus, obviously. I bet you are too - in fact, you might be more ethical than I am....if you condemn the barbarity of God/Jesus, that is.

 

I think that criminal said he believed in Jesus, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So if, repeat if, hypothetically, God/Jesus does (for argument's sake here) send all Muslims to brutal torture, forever, can we agree that you and I are too ethical to do that if we had those powers, kanenatsu?

 

What if those muslims were doing terrible things because they thought that's what their religion was requiring them to do?

There's a story somewhere out there about an ISIS fighter who was shot dead, and then some Dominican monks came to bury his body, probably saying prayers for his soul. The monks were sure that he was dead, and had carried the body 26 kilometers before the man suddenly came back to life. The man who had come back to life had a near death experience to tell, and became a Christian while recovering in the monastery.

https://orientalreview.org/2015/03/04/an-isis-fighter-i-was-fodbidden-at-the-gates-of-heaven/

 

Only a psycho would let a mass-murderer like Moses (3000 killed is a bit more than even Osama on 9/11, like I said) into "heaven". Clearly a psycho god. Clearly! An ethical person doesn't kill people for having a different view of god - not as such.

 

So you love Muslims (which is ironic since they also have a concept of hell only their rules on going to heaven or hell are far stricter and more brutal and demanding then Christianities) yet you hate Christians with a passion? There seems to be something amiss here. Some disconnect. Almost like you arent actually sincere about what you are ranting about...

 

So if everybody is going to heaven, how about just lead an ethical life, do good works, and there's NO NEED to believe in utterly unscientific fairy-tale like stories of invisible magic kingdoms in the sky?

See, if a book has DRAGONS in it, like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, The Bible, then it's a fairy tale. All interesting reads, to be sure, but not real enough to base one's belief system on, of course.

 

No, I'd ALSO let Christians into (Islamic) "Paradise" if I was ALLAH. I love Christians just as much as I love Modern Secular Humanists (like me), and Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. I don't hate non-believers like Jesus/Mohammad did. You, also, are likely better than Jesus/Mohammad - because I think you'd let all ethical people in, regardless of which magic invisible friend in the sky (out of thousands on offer) that they happen to pick - usually there are just BORN INTO a particular religion, so of course it's immoral to send them to barbaric "hell" for just being ethical and following their local religion.

 

One things for sure, no offense, but I'm far more ethical than you because unlike you and Jesus I'd let ethical Muslims into "heaven" and avoid barbaric torture in God/Jesus' "lake of fire". Some day I believe you'll love enough to say the same thing.

 

I blame their prophet for putting the nonsense in their head (72 virgins to rape* if you kill for Allah, ala Qur'an 8:39, etc., etc.) They are as crazy as Moses for killing 3000 people because they didn't believe in the same voices that he heard in his head ("god"). People hear "god" in their heads to this very day, but we don't worship them, instead we consider putting them in mental institutions. Don't believe in a man who heard voices in his head.

 

Anyway I’m going to bed. Honestly I have to say if you changed up your tactic you actually have room for a pretty legitimate and reasonable discussion here. The questions of morality and ethics when it comes to the concepts of heaven and hell are actually very legitimate and important things that should be discussed and you could very well engage in that discussion here. It’s a pity then that you allow the bigotry and hatred that you are so clearly and obviously filled with to get in the way of this reasonable discussion and instead just engage in stupid and petty flaimbait rantings and slander. It be nice if you could try and maybe change up your tact and approach the subject with a little less anger and ignorance and instead try and have a respectable dialogue on again something I feel is of legitimate worth and importance.

In leaving I guess I’ll quickly answer your question. I only speak for my self of course but yes of it we’re up to me I would let in Muslims and Buddhist and Hindus and all people WHO ARE WORTHY into Heaven. And (again only speaking for my self) I personally believe that IS what happens. There is a large debate amongst religious scholars on wether or not non Christians are capable of entering into Heaven and there is no real clear answer to that question although I personally feel that it is almost assuredly a yes of course they do. I don’t really have the time to make my argument for this but I can leave you with this link to a really good read that address this specific topic. So again this just points out more of your lack of knowledge on the subject and your personal animosity toward Christianity.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/p...n-for-non-christians-explained-sola-scriptura

 

The question is, can you actually do that on your own, by yourself? Are most people truly capable of that?

(The question is basically equivalent to asking whether there's a need for a Savior)

 

See my last post. Always amusing to see a bigot claim they are more ethical.

 

The bigotry and hatred comes from the person who said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me", not from me (I condemn Jesus' bigotry and hatred for those that simply don't choose to believe that his magic, unproven, word-of-mouth, unscientific tale is actually real.)