Which is more compassionate, Trump's wall or Jesus' wall?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by FreedomSeeker, Oct 23, 2018.

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Bonus poll: do you condemn Trump's (and to be intellectually honest) Jesus' wall?

  1. Yes, I condemn them both - Trump hates Latinos, and Jesus hates all Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

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  2. No - I want to KEEP OUT Latinos, AND all Muslims, and Hindus, and Buddhists...they are undesirables!

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was more like indentured servitude. These people were poor and sold themselves into slavery. The fact that the law placed a limit on it meant they wouldn't be a lifetime slave.

    If the wife is a Hebrew then she will also eventually be freed (presumably along with her children).
    The Hebrews were not supposed to marry foreign wives.
     
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    They were living under the Roman Empire. It wasn't exactly like there were other options for them. He was basically saying "As long as you're living under slavery, you should do an honorable job". If the choice was between living under slavery or to rebel and kill people, they were instructed that living under slavery was the better thing to do.

    Not a lot of people make this connection but a similar analogy exists with the nation of Israel. God was collectively punishing them so put them under the occupation of the Romans. There were Jewish groups at that time who didn't accept this and waged a revolt. The revolt descended into murder very quickly. (Age old question whether the means justify the ends) One could say they were "rebelling against slavery", or draw that analogy. Obviously God wasn't happy with that.
     
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    Still much better than in Islam.
     
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    They didn't really have prisons back then. Something to consider.
     
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    I still don't see it explicitly said that the owner can force the woman into sex or marriage.

    This was the culture across the entire Middle East. Actually in most parts of the Middle East at the time it was worse than this.

    In that culture, virginity for the female was a big thing, and in many cases if a girl was raped she would often find it preferable to have the man who raped her take her as a husband (if he wasn't too ugly) than be disgraced, because then she'd have a very hard time finding a good man who would want to marry her after that.
    (evidence for this in 2 Samuel 13:12-16)
     
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    Thank you for admitting your question was just a hypothetical.
     
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    You deny Zeus. You deny Thor. You deny Wotan. You deny Allah. You deny Apollo. You deny Harry Potter.

    You and I are not that different.
     
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    I do deny all tose fictional characters
     
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    So why have an archaic, outdated, barbaric belief system? Don't you believe in your family enough to believe that you deserve better than that for the most important thing in your lives - your overall belief system/religion? Have some faith....in your family.
     
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    As do I deny a book that believes dragons, unicorns, and a man living inside a fish for 3 days are actually real. You are just thanatophobic, so to ease your phobia you believe in a fairy tale.
     
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    An ETHICAL book, which of course the bible/quran are not, would, instead of saying "When a man sells his daughter as a slave,....", say "no slavery, period."
    So which is more ethical, kaz, my way or God's way?
     
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    The differnce that I merely ignore your idols whereas you seeth with hate for the Savior of Mankind
     
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    Yes, invisible people are not real (Harry Potter, Frodo, Satan, angels, demons, Jesus up in heaven today, etc.)

    Keep in mind that your "all-powerful" god is far less ethical than your family is, because if your FAMILY had his alleged all-powerful skills your family would of course have given us the final cure for cancer centuries ago. They are better than you "god", so of course you don't need your invisible friend in the sky for moral guidance.
     
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    If I had your all-powerful Savior's superpowers, I would have warned the 250,000 completely innocent victims of the Aceh Tsunami......but your Savior is either a heartless prick or he's not real. Either way he's not worthy of anyone's worship.
     
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    So what WOULD have to appear in the Bible for you to not believe it (you believe in dragons, so what WOULD they have had to include to get you to doubt the book)?
    I fear that your, uh, fear of death is leading you to actually believe in something that has the same level of PROOF for it's validity as the Lord of The Rings tale does. Frodo and Jesus are not actual real.

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    Holy cow you have low ethical expectations - from the "best moral guide book of all time" no less!!!! Wow.
     
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    Ok, stop and realize that I just got you to DEFEND SLAVERY. Stop. Look in the mirror. And say to yourself "I'm better than this - I'm better than defending one of the worst atrocities in human history. Slavery is wrong, so an invisible man in the sky who approves of it is below me, ethically."
     
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    Only a fool would bring forward ancient barbaric morals into the 21st century and beyond.
     
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    Trump is real and Jesus is fictional. Are we done now?
     
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    You justified, YES JUSTIFIED, SLAVERY in a previous post! Now you're justifying TORTURE!! Stop and realize that God/Jesus has made you unethical. You are better than God/Jesus so you'll want to move past him.
     
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    I don't think Jesus gets much credit for saving mankind from God!
     
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    Great post. Finally, some "reality" - I was so caught up in debating that slavery is ok, and that dragons are actually real, that it's good to get back to that crazy concept of reality.

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    YES - WE DON'T NEED SAVING!
     
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    He will after the Second Coming
     
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    Apparently the evil "all-knowing" God/Jesus isn't smart enough to understand this word:

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