Which will rule the West in 50 years? Islam or Marxism?

Wow. If you think Islam is going to accept atheism...
Yeah, wow.

 

The thing is that after world war two the leaders realised just that: that europe was a collection of xenophobic small states hating each other and constantly fighting, and they have worked as hard they could from then until now to destory what they thought to be the roots of that: namely the nation state and its associated traditional elements.

They have worked to make nationalism and patriotism taboo, and to gradually remove the support for it. Hence why they want mass immigration as it will make the culture disunified so there'll be no 'nation' anymore but just a state.

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I'm not suprsied that those are the guys you cheer on. Well, for my part I'm hoping that the new liberal nationalists -like ukip, sweden democrats, pvv, and the reformed front national- are the ones who will save europe.

 

Absolutely nothing will change. Look at history. All that ever happens is the rich get richer and the powerful get more powerful. The only way for change to happen is for people to get off their butts and do something, which doesn't happen much. Islam might succeed in angering a few more rich lazy americans, but they cannot change anything because they don't have the resorces, and the rich lazy people they (*)(*)(*)(*) off won't do anything because they are rich and lazy.

 

The thing is that I don't think the religious cultures will see the liberal ideas as anti-religious and therefore abandon their hardocre faith for them, but rather that they will reject the liberal ideas because they see them as anti-religious.

 

I've been donating as often as I am able to the Golden Dawn. You should too!

 

You're cheering on a bunch of lazy marxists in the making dude...

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1. You are now a loser in this argument. The wealth disparity in any region in the world has historically ebbed and flowed, so claiming the rich always get richer makes you stupid.

2. Rich people are generally not going to be lazy, you're just mad and jealous bro. The CEO on average works at least double the average worker, try to contain your rage and get a more realistic worldview.

 

When I say right, I mean in towards of economics. Socially, we've always been liberal.

 

No, for heaven's sake no! I'd never donate to them. They're pretty much fascists aren't they? and fascism isn't exactly close to my beliefs.

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That depends on where you draw the left-right border line. Is crony capitalism a move to the left or right? It sure is a move away from pure capitalism, which is commonly considered rightist.

 

I don't think an idea can accept another idea. It's just another idea, and can't do anything on its own.

 

I suppose the liberal type would probably refer to them as "hyper-Nationalists."
Fascist Greece? I wouldn't worry about that.

Are you aware their far left government has imposed a children tax on native Greek citizens that increases what they owe to the government with each child a family has?
It's basically imposing a genocide on the Greek people while encouraging third world immigration. Surely you won't miss the forest for the trees in this situation.

It's either Golden Dawn or no more Greece. I mean, from my perspective (and I'm sure you're familiar with my political ideology), supporting this in Europe is no different than supporting a foreign invader during a time of war.

Treason.

 

To that, we shall go back to the election of Ronald Reagan. With his Reganomics policy a sharp contrast to Keyensian or however you spell it economics, we see an abrupt swing to the right. Now we're getting more extreme, and will turn people off, my guess by the 2020's. Then, a gradual shift back to the right, or perhaps an abrupt one as we saw in 1933. And it will then cost along those lines until say 2080.

 

as far as I know they simply call themselves nationalists and conservatives, except for ukip whith adds libertarian and denies its nationalism.

That tax sounds like (*)(*)(*)(*).

But basically its that the goldern dawn doesn't agree with me on the vast majority of issues, so I simply won't support them. But I'm not much for giving money to anything though, be it charities or even parties that I do like.

 

1. I suppose I did phrase that badly. What I meant to say was that rich people will always strive to be richer, which means making sure that other people do not become rich and provide compitition, which is a very unbalanced fight, given that one side has considerably more resorces than the other.

2. I do not have a problem with a CEO who started as a regular Joe and got his position through hard work alone, but in the majority of cases, the CEO comes from an upper class family (which means that they got an unfair advantage over the simmilarly qualified person with whom they compeated for the job with), and/or had personal connections in the company that he is now running. So in theory, you are correct. It is possible to make something of yourself, but most people won't because it requres too much effort.

 

So you're saying that is on the right? and that more cronyism is more to the right? If so, what about pure capitalism? Maybe a simple line isn't good enough for this.

 

I think Europeans need to ask themselves one simple question: "To be or not to be."
Whether or not the Golden Dawn and you are politically identical doesn't matter. What matters is, no Golden Dawn = No Greece. So you're essentially saying you would prefer native Greeks do not exist at all if they aren't run by a political party you're in 100% agreement with. More over, you're not from Greece, so you wouldn't be living under their rule. I'm much more interested in the Golden Dawn helping to create a domino effect all through out Europe than anything else, so perhaps, with their victory, you will get what you want in the future.

Also, I've mostly been donating food and diapers and things of that nature. They have food drives which help the native people of Greece and, in doing so, helps them politically.
Money as well, but more supplies lately.

Not to go off topic.

 

Good point. I'd prefer to see a greek people rather than not seeing one. The question is if going fascist would be worth it. But you know, I have a convinient way of escaping this question. Being a nationalist, I thin that every people should be able to decide their own form of government and how they're governed. It's the people of greece who will chose wheter to support the golden dawn or not, or any other party, and its also the greek people that chose to go with multiculturalism and mass immigration. The same applies for the rest of europe. And since its up to them, I, as a swede, would just be messing in their affairs by supporting them in any way. The support should come from greeks.

 

That's a fair point. If the majority of people in Greece do not embrace their only real way out at this point, we can't feel that sorry for them. I suspect things are getting so bad over there that Golden Dawn will continue to see increased membership, but they are only at about 7% right now. That's not going to cut it. They need a double digit number that doesn't start with a 1 or a 2 if they want to be taken seriously and really effect change. Sadly, too many white Greeks, just like too many white Swedes, or Danes, or Germans, or Americans, or Canadians, etc etc, are all too happy to simply continue the course that they are on, accepting more and more Marxism as time passes. It may already be too late.

 

I believe they're now approaching 20% actually. At least 15%. They've been making significant enough gains lately that international left-wing newspapers have decided the time has come to go into full on attack mode, so that's meaningful. Leftist internal poling has them shaken and increasingly worried.

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14.5. I stand corrected, but on the rise. More gains means more seats means more influence means more votes.

 

Indeed. well, its always up to the people in question what their future should be. Europeans don't want a future it seems.

 

I just noticed my source was over a year old. Have they really more than doubled their membership in a year?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_legislative_election,_May_2012

 

14.5 and rising.
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They don't want kids. Too much responsibility. Better to take that money and spend it on themselves, while demanding more and more benefits and extra weeks of vacation. No young people to pay into the welfare system? No problem, just accept more Muslim immigrants who will hopefully work and pay taxes.

 

The nationalist parties in europe are rising fast indeed. The sweden democrats got some 5-6% of the vote last election and now they're 10-15% in the polls.

 

No. I'm saying that it's getting more extreme.

 

extreme in what direction?