Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan?

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  1. DennisTate

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    Actually........... Ghurkur soldiers would cut the shoe laces of allied troops just to prove that they could do so............. Then they would go out and be gone for several days and come back with a gad of something quite different than trout or salmon.......... My point is that soldiers on guard duty had a tendency to fall asleep........ rather soundly asleep at that.......
     
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    Thank you...... I will need it........

    what I volunteered for back in 1990 is not something that I think is done every ten or fifteen minutes.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-online-outreach-to-satanists.517921/page-10



    Then again.... with eight billion people on this third rock...... maybe there are millions of people who have done something similar????????
     
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    Correction...... it is NOT LUCK....... that I need.... it is the blessing, protection and guidance of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus...... and the Ruach ha Kodesh / The Holy Spirit / The Shekina Glory of G-d / The Divine Feminine....... and His or Her angels..........
    (and some good will by those who 95 - 99% of Christians would consider to be "enemies" will also come in really, really, really handy over the coming months and years..........

    The Divine Feminine is playing out a crucial role in this Battle of the Great Day of the L-rd Almighty!!!!

    Could the Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost = God the Mother?



    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/gender/g1.htm
    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/



    I figured I had better make that correction....... it kind of hit me afterward that there might just be much, much, much, much more to you ........ "Greatest I Am".... than I might tend to imagine at first...........?!

    Do you have the courage to read the book that I recommend here?


    Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?


    My theory for years now is that if some of the really, really bad guys...... some Theistic Satanists like John Ramirez claims to be.... do Teshuvah.... they are likely to become Warriors of The Rainbow..............!



     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you want to feel great about going to Church, go to church at the Mormon church.

    First we do not bore you talking about Satan. We spend most of our time discussing the great Jesus. We love to discuss GOD. We also explain 3 heavens and not merely 1.

    As to Satan, I believe the few he grabs will be very very rotten. Such as Hitler or Mao or Stalin. A bunch of terrible killers. too.

    But we have a chance at one of the 3 heavens. Check us out.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By the way, in the Mormon Church, we do not run other people down. We would never run down the Jews.
     
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    I am contingent in my being. The God I'm looking for is necessary in His being. I understand God best in the author/character paradigm. An author is absolutely sovereign over his novel work. God is absolutely sovereign over His creation.

    I can create a character that knows that they are a character and that I am their author. I can even write a dialog between that character and myself. However, that dialog is not a conversation; it is a condescension. There is another way by which an author can condescend to his characters. He can write himself into his novel work as himself. He would be no less the author because he is also a character, and his character would be no less a character than any of his other characters. Jesus Christ is God's character incarnate.
     
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    None of this is an actual argument, or even a logical conclusion.
     
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    To address the OP, since neither exist, the answer is neither.
     
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    Relevance?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Which one has the virgins?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Fiction, yes.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Let the theists know.

    Regards
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You may be thinking of the Muslims. I believe they come post death.
     
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    If you really felt that your time was completely being wasted you might not have taken my advice to try out this forum?

    A realm in which all knowledge could be accessed during seven minnutes in a higher invisible dimension or two or three or four or five of space - time is EXACTLY what former extreme Skeptic and now...... Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Alon Anava reports being shown during his seven minute or so near death experience in the back seat of a taxi.


    All knowledge...... within minutes..... is EXACTLY what near death experiencers report being given.... but our lives in a condition with only pieces and bits of knowledge........ is the situation within which we can grow spiritually, emotionally and philosophically.




    Ms. Beverly Brodsky also reported being shown essentially all knowlege during her NDE.

    https://www.near-death.com/religion/judaism/beverly-brodsky.html

    I think it is kind of intriguing that Ms. Brodsky reported being given all knowledge...... but that was merely a beginning????
     
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    Probably it was millions of years in the past when this seeming war began........
    I would guess millions of years due to the beginning of predatory behaviour of the dinosaurs.

    https://www.near-death.com/science/articles/richard-eby-and-secomd-coming-of-christ.html#a03
    ... but as time would go on........ it is unlikely that all out war would be Lucifer's motivation....... but I could be wrong.... maybe that is it?????

    Azazel now I consider to be a very different type of Watcher for many reasons.....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-and-divide-the-kingdom-of-satan-and.369227/


    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel"
    (Leviticus 16:10 RSV)


    http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm
    [Chapter 13]
    If G-d only dwells with the humble..... the behaviour of the Watchers at that time sure does sound like a significant step toward humility????

    Isaiah57:15
     
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    that's exactly what you're doing. there is no "empirical evidence" of any god existing or doing anything. that's just your place holder.
     
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    Material contingency is empirical evidence of necessary being. I refer to necessary being as "God".
     
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    empirical evidence is what can be observed. no god has been observed. there is no evidence of this link, hence "god of the gaps".
     
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    Matter can be observed. Matter can be observed to be contingent in its being.
    If contingent being exists, necessary being must exist.
    Material contingency is empirical evidence of necessary being.
     
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    We cannot have free will if we don't have choices of good or evil. I think a better term than free will is free moral agency which is the right to choose good or evil. Therefore, both good choices and evil choices have to be present in every situation. Once a person chooses evil, they lessen their ability to have free moral agency because the light of Christ diminishes. But, when a person chooses good, they still have evil present as Satan works harder on those who choose good.

    Had God not allowed Satan to tempt us, then there would be no choices. We would be forced to live only sin free lives. Yes, the world would be a place without war, sickness, theft, adultery and all other bad things happening to us. But, we would not know it without it's opposite. I remember the great basketball player, Bill Walton saying once he had foot surgery, he realized not everyone had foot pain. He thought for years everyone had the same foot pain he did. The purpose for us in this life then has to be known in order for you and others to understand why everything must have its opposites. Good-evil, virtue-vice, pleasure-pain and so on. If not, then all you can say is "If God was a good god then blah, blah, blah."
     
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    What is proof to you isn't proof for everyone. Some need empirical proof and some only need faith. Who is right? Thomas needed empirical proof but the other Apostles did not. Peter did not and became Christ's prophet when Christ died. Through Peter, he would reveal his secrets, doctrines and laws (Amos 3:7) and through other prophets called Apostles, he would do the same. For all others, it's up to faith only. Believing those things that have not been seen yet are real and true.
     
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    I disagree.....

    https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
     
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    That was really weird!!! Are you okay? Headache yet? By the way, the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are the same personage. There is no subtracting one from another. And, no, Mother in Heaven isn't the Holy Ghost. She's Heavenly Father's wife.
     
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    No self respecting heaven would not have virgins.
    Beer and other assorted drugs go without saying.

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    I agree. Satan is always doing the will of the gods. Sin is good. That is why Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and why sin should be embraced as a concept. Not as a fact.

    “Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ.”
    Martin Luther

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