It's over in Afghanistan!

To get the Saudi Arabian 9/11 perpetrators who weren't there, of course. Classic American, geographically-challenged idiocy. Invade the wrong country. 'Hey Cletus, is this Ah-rayak, or Ah-rayan? Ah cain't tell the diffrence. Still, makes no never mahnd-they's all the same colour'

 

???? Except for the ones who died in 9/11, they were all there in Afghanistan.

 

You could say this if I was an evangelical.

The same can't be said for someone rational and secular.

Science and reason are superior to tradition and religion. There's really no getting around that.

Besides, I'm not saying Afghanis should be one way or another. Only they themselves can decide when they want to advance socially. That's not something we can really force upon them, although we can certainly refrain from bowing to their sensitivities.

 

Classic Eurofag idiocy.

The 9/11 terrorists were based and trained in AFGHANISTAN. If we listened to geographically-challenged geniuses like you and invaded Saudi Arabia, OBL would still be alive today and running AQ's camps in Afghanistan.

If you need me to write that down in crayon for you, I'll run across the street and pick up a box of Crayolas. I can dumb it down as far as you need it, sport...

 

Pick a color, junior...

 

American dialect, I take it. The asses laugh?

 

They were Saudi attackers who were part of a larger Islamic organization known as AQ which was founded in Afghanistan and which was part and parcel to the Taliban government and military having a seat on the Taliban's ministry of defense and forming the Taliban's 055 Brigade and who was given safe haven by the Taliban to plan for, train for, recruit for, and launch from, numerous attacks against the U.S. and her interests.

No classic European historically and factually challenged idiocy.

 

Obama has led America to complete defeat in Afghanistan. Pretty smart guy huh?

 

We were defeated when we attempted to undertake the idiotic mission of "rebuilding" a country that was never built to begin with, a mistake that Bush made and Obama did not learn from. We should have gone there, dropped some bombs, and left. Would the terrorist cancer grow back? Maybe. But we weren't going to change that.

 

You let Obama off too lightly. He must be held to account. Most American deaths in Afghanistan occurred after Obama became president. Obama was the one who escalated the war by doubling the number of US troops in Afghanistan. Obama is the one who will end up surrendering to the Taliban.

 

Blaming Obama for Afghanistan deaths is like blaming Bush for Katrina.

When our soldiers die, blame the enemy, not the president. And yes, when liberals did it to Bush, it was just as dumb.

 

Nah, Taliban removed from power, replaced by a government that is an ally in our war against Al Qaeda, as opposed to Al qaedas biggest ally. Now Obama could still (*)(*)(*)(*) up everything that has been accomplished, but not yet.

 

no one would die? oh really? do you know who this quote belongs to?...

Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.

It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.

I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.-Timothy McVeigh

just for a perceived threat to the US Constitution he killed killed 168 Americans including nineteen children in the day care. Many Americans on the right (and many who are members of this forum) are as wacko and unstable as the Taliban.

 

Bush Jnr was moronic but was entertaining in his own way. Of course a complete failure in foriegn policy even managing to cause real divides between long standing allies (europe)

Also causing a deeper divide with the russians, who knew what bush was and didn't want to deal with him. Now obama, over the last few years has managed to repeat the same cycle. His political rhetric is only sound bites. He has been defeated both internally (America, medical care or lack it ) and externally (iraq, afghan). And with russia has failed to repair the bush mess. In short, a worse failure than junior. In the regards obama showed promise before he sold himself to Aipac and the usa corps.

 

Touche, but there's a difference between an isolated nutcase vs. a public reaction.

Americans, in general, are offended by things like flag or Bible burning, but they won't kill you for it (except for the very rare McVeigh types).

On the flipside, riots happened throughout a good portion of the world over a few Mohammed cartoons.

There's clearly a big difference between the two.

 

Obama's not our best president, but I'd say he's been better than Bush (albeit not by much).

 

It's already been said but it's worth saying again - Afghanistan is a backward country ruled by tribal interests and full of ignorant people who happen to be Muslims. An ignorant Muslim is harder to deal with than an educated Muslim and Afghanistan is full of the former. Despite the belief that each Koran is a representation of the Koran in Paradise at least one educated Muslim scholar has expressed alarm at the reaction, saying that more Korans can be printed, no need for this behaviour. But these people are ignorant so we can't expect much else.

Going into Afghanistan originally was a great idea. The idea that it could be turned around with a pro-Western government installed was a bad idea. You watch Karzai and his allies buddy up to the Taleban and anyone else who will look after them as soon as it suits them.

I hope the West learns from this debacle.

 

I disagree, Obama reminds me of blair (Who in the uk showed huge amounts of promise to repair rifts with EU economics etc.. before he got lost with Bush Jnr wars)

Obama has gone the same way. Pre election promises, hype of a real change and political speeches crafted by spin doctors captured many peoples attention. (noble peace award etc.)

But the reality to obama, there is nothing beyond his political sound bite speeches. There is no substance to the man, just a hollow shell of failed politcs. He has no direction and like blair, obama is a follower not a leader.

 

I recall riots in the US some 40 yrs back where police and national guard were called in to protect black students during desegregation of schools, and there was the voting controversy, the Rosa Parks event and the Rodney king riots....people died in those days from a public reaction, not isolated nutcases...Americans on the extreme right are no less wacko than Islamic extremists...

 

Well, I'd argue they've all been followers since Reagan. Wall Street bought the system in the 80s. They don't have total control of things, but they are the singlemost powerful special interest in America.

Clinton was better than the rest, but even he ultimately served Wall Street more than Main Street.

Then again, every system has its elite. No matter what you devise, the few will rule the many, so the quality of your life largely depends on how your elite choose to run things.

 

Rioting against a drastic change in your way of life is quite different from rioting over a book burning.

The racists against integration weren't justified in their reactions, but the context was more understandable.

Also, you're using a rather old example. We do have plenty of crazy people, but it's on a different level from those who would kill over a book burning or a cartoon.

 

When Obama became president there were about fifty thousand US troops in Afghanistan. Obama reevaluated the Bush strategy, and decided to escalate. Obama increased the troop level to one hundred thousand.

The left set the precedent for the treatment of presidents at war. It is now permissible to use foreign military conflicts for domestic political purposes. It's too late to go back to the old standard. The left must feel the pain.

The Taliban isn't my enemy. We've had this discussion before.

 

The American left is the only real enemy. The Taliban are irrelevant.

 

Regardless of past wrongs, most of what Obama has done in foreign policy has involved continuing Bush's policies. This is a realm in which he and Bush are essentially the same, so that's why I'm not particularly critical of Obama over this, just like I wasn't with Bush.

For the most part, both parties are the same when it comes to foreign policy, including how they act when they are the opposition party. It's childish, but I guess it's inevitable.

About the only real alternative candidates I've seen in recent years on foreign policy are Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.

 

Yeah ,the 9\11 or 911 and that is so sus ,911 being the Emergency call Government phone number in all the USA.that be as it may ,the 911 terrorists were trained in Afghanistan by the best muslim terrorist Organisation CIA money could buy called the Mujahadine,yes I am saying with historical vindication that the US Government through the CIA developed ,financed and even sent military advisers to train the TALIBAN and ALqada ,History says not Philxx btw.

hey, care to read the Reagan Doctrine or was it written before you were born ????????????

do you still think Bush and Cheney chuckle about the use of the 911 thing ,i wonder if they discussed it directly with OBL,booked the day ahead.

Sorry but if the CIA didn't know anything about it with operatives and networking of their own Muslim terrorist organisation then what use is it ?

If they did which is the most probable ,then they are traitors to the People of the USA and deserve execution.As they did nothing so its either incmpetence or treason towards the people of the USA.

Just a private joke on the American people hoodwinked again!