What has atheism ever done for the world?

And progress. Which religion has retarded for over 1000 years through superstition.

So while atheism had brought technology and progress

Religion brought nothing but ignorance and 1000 years of operation of the human mind.

 

By all means, let's look at them - how many people DID die from those things compared to the deaths from murderous atheistic governments? Hint: it's not even close.

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Yes, let's talk about the famous atheist Issac Newton, who gave us modern physics and calculus. Oh, wait...

 

Has it ever occurred to you to that other forces may be at work? Does everything turn on whether you believe in a god? The fact is that tyrants and dictators have always existed. They always profess to believe in whatever will advance their immediate interest. Tyrants of the 20th century benefitted from the technology of mass production, transforming it into the technology of mass murder.

The veil of dogmatism just doesn't matter. Human nature stays constant, and nothing changes this. Not Isaac Newton. Not Darwin. Not even Jesus. He tried to change what was in people's hearts. People said "OK, sure." Then they went back to being Romans.

 

We have thousands of years of wars caused by religion and murders done for religion. And it's not just Isis. If you recall, the leaders of the current world are either Christian or muslim. Look at all the people they have killed just in modern times. But we have thousands of years of this.

Religion definitely takes the cake when we are talking about people killed. And it's the way that these religious fanatics killed people.

And don't pretend that the church is responsible for Isac newton's discoveries. That had nothing to do with the church. And if newton was an athiest, and he professed that he was an athiest, then he would be killed. So good thing that he was brainwashed at an early age and became Christian. Otherwise he may have been burned at the stake for committing blasphemy against god. Sort of like how the church tried with Galoleo. Good thing that he was friends with Medici. He ended up being excommunicated and placed under house arrest for his entire life instead.

So don't act religion contributed to anything but to spread ignorance and suppress knowledge.

 

its hard to elevate that which always seeks the lowest cesspools. This all stems from the fact we have never been able to get from under elitist control who uses their power and influence to corrupt everything around them to get more power and influence. They preach goodness despite their wealth came as a result of their own corruption. .....and atheists said ok and murdered without conscience.

 

You seem to have forgotten about the bloodiest century in mankind's history, which happens to be the one I was born in, brought to you by atheists such as Pol Pot, Joe Stalin, and Mao Zedong, and today carried on by that paragon of virtue, Kim Jong Un.

Ì was alive for most of these guy's murderous existence, so don't try to BS me. <MOD EDIT - Removed Flamebait>

 

that's kind of you (collective YOU). because up until very bloody recently you just killed us. of course for a short while in between the many centuries of killing us on sight and today, you simply ostracised us and made it impossible to live within any society, so you did ease up towards the end there.

meantime, yes, there are still Christians all over the world who actively demonise non-belief. You can call it denounce if you like, but it's fear driven demonization, and it's ugly. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that it's now about 6 decades out of context.

 

No, the basis of communism/socialism is the rejection of a belief of God replaced with state worship or Caesar worship. Period.

And Jesus DID change hearts, look up Polycarp, who was murdered by Roman statists not unlike today's communists.

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How about FACTS instead of propaganda?

 

facts about being killed for non-belief? really? you haven't any access to a wiki on the crusades, or Isis, or any other religiously driven mass murder? and then there's all that stuff about 'witches', plus the untold and unrecorded thousands upon thousands of those killed in small villages for having the audacity to think differently.

and the social ostracism of the 20thC is well known. apparently it still happens in some places. apparently there are STILL places in the world in which you can't gain public office unless you profess to believe in a particular Jewish sky deity. even worse, it can be difficult to find any job. can you imagine that? in 2016?

 

You said "you" and I am not Muslim, so I don't kill people for non-belief, I never have. And in case you don't know what the Crusades were, it was to kick those very same people (Muslims) out of countries they had invaded.

"Untold and unrecorded thousands upon thousands of those killed in small villages for having the audacity to think differently..."

If it's untold and unrecorded, how do you know it happened? You don't. It's a baseless claim because you have nothing else.

Social ostracism of the 20th century? It it like the social ostracism of the 21st century where people like me are demonized for their belief in a - what was it - Jewish sky deity? Zombie Jesus? You ought to try walking around in clerical garb some day if you want to know what discrimination is all about.

 

I can't think of anything the lack of belief in sky fairies, all by itself, has directly done for or against the world.

 

A lot more people have died because of idiotic religious ideology than have ever died by the hands of atheists.

AA

 

Think harder.

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Read history. I mean REAL history, not crap from places like this.

 

More people have died because of religious ideology than have ever died by the hands of atheists. To be fair, theism has a much longer history and has claimed a much, much larger portion of the population, so this is to be expected to some degree, but it is still true. That is real history.

 

Translated: Think like ME.

No thanks.

 

Translation: get an education.

 

No one has died in the name of Atheism as people have died in the name of God or even Allah.

 

Just like you, right? The educated guy.

 

Really?

Are you seriously going to get into a historical debate with ME?

Over the centuries hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people have been killed all in the name of a GOD.

The German's were extremely religious Christian's yet they managed to kill MILLIONS of people who were of another religion.

The Crusades, Jihad, Colonists killing the indigenous as they tried to force Christianity on them, Pagan rituals of death for their GODS...it goes on and on and on.

AA

 

You seem to have forgotten that the deadliest even in world history is the colonization of North America. Which of course was fueled by religion


Deadliest event in history - European Colonization of the Americas
Death Toll Estimate: 100 Million

There's thousands of years of stuff like this. And bible supported all of it. I'm not mentioning the Quran because everyone knows about it and violence. I'll post it soon.

Oh. And Hitler was a Christian.

2nd deadliest event in world History - World War 2
Death Toll Estimate: 72 Million

Did you know that Wilhelm II was also a Christian?

Third bloodiest event in world history - World War 1
Death Toll Estimate: 65 Million

We have thousands of years of wars caused by religious people.



Talk about ignorance of history.

 

Yawn.

"The religious views of Adolf Hitler are a matter of debate, with a consensus of scholars agreeing that Hitler was not a Christian and was skeptical of religion generally."

It took me all of five seconds to find that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

 

Not if you're going to say idiotic things like "Hitler was a Christian".

You don't know what the Crusades were about, do you?

 

You seem to have forgotten that the deadliest even in world history is the colonization of North America. Which of course was fueled by religion


Deadliest event in history - European Colonization of the Americas
Death Toll Estimate: 100 Million

There's thousands of years of stuff like this. I'm not even bringing up other religions, both dead and alive. So I'll stick to bashing Christianity for now

Oh. And Hitler was a Christian.

2nd deadliest event in world history - World War 2
Death Toll Estimate: 72 Million

You know what? Wilhelm II was also a Christian. He believed in the divine right of a monarch.

World War 1
Death Toll Estimate: 65 Million

Like I said. There's thousands of yearsof religious people murdering people. Thats not even bringing up muslims. Jews. And other religious groups both dead and alive.

Babylonians. Persians. The Romans. The Greek. All of them were religious and believed in as well as worshiped gods. Then we have the Maya. Aztec. Many other groups that I don't feel like wasting my time listing.

All were religious.

Talk about ignorance of history

In the next post, I will show what your god told his people to do

 

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Etc, etc

 

I won't be reading your next post.

Let me put it this way: as much as atheists talk about "science", they have a tendency to create a narrative that feeds their biases and ignore any information to the contrary. It's not up to me to prove you wrong, it's up to you to know what you are talking about and present it in an unbiased way. Reading the screed of bigots is not a productive use of my time.