What has atheism ever done for the world?

And it's interesting to me that you can't see how the former is an objective reality and the other is an assumption.

 

Both statements are subjective opinion, both are generalisations, both are bigoted. But you want to see your reality as objective.

 

Which has nothing to do with the discussion and you cannot even prove, its just assumption.

 

I don't dream these postings by atheists complaining about the God they don't believe in, I don't dream the posts complaining about what God said to ancient Israel, I don't dream the posts about atheists complaining about the Crusades or the inquisition, and you would have to be blind not to see them yourself.

Have a nice day.

 

No but you did dream that those views reflect all atheists or leftists or even a majority and it appears you dreamt you knew the meaning of an objective reality. I have yet to read an atheist complain about a god, they complain about what men claim of these gods. It is a very important difference.

And a good day to you.

 

Textbook confirmation bias (i.e., the entire basis for most of this thread's "logic"). Hold all atheists responsible for what communist governments did last century, but kick and scream any time people use the same logic to generalize about theists in general or Christians in particular.

 

Why do you put Atheists and leftist in the same basket?

 

First of all you tend to label AGNOSTICS as Atheists.

AA

 

Evidently you did dream it all - because no atheist is actually complaining about a god. They are complaining about the beliefs of the people who are allied to the god. If you are unable to discern the difference you must be asleep.

Most of us do understand the need theists have to imagine we take their god (the god itself) seriously, it's not really very complicated. If even non-believers take the god seriously, then it must surely be a very important and special, real god. Psych 101 etc, but it doesn't progress the dialog to lurch into that defence.

 

I've read your initial post and the answers submitted by a number of people. Just wanted to say, I don't think the horrors of the 20th century, with all it's wars, was caused by or sustained by the issue of atheism, or religiosity either for that matter. The leaders you alluded to were egomaniacs who were so focused on promoting themselves politically and militarily, without any consideration of how their actions affected or afflicted others around them. It's easy to tie that relentless non-compassionate disregard for others to a lack of religious affinity in their lives, but the problem is the inflated ego, not their belief or disbelief in God. Most atheists are very descent, caring people. Many are accomplished, creative people, or leaders in their community. True, the examples you cite were atheists, but their atheism wasn't the motivating factor leading to their atrocious behavior. It was simple an aspect of them--one of hundreds or thousands--but not the determining one.

It's worth noting that many of history's bloodiest conflicts were religious ones. The Hundred Years War (16th-17th Centuries), the Muslim conquest of North Africa and SW Asia (17th-18th Centuries) are noteworthy examples. In fact, it was the continuing religious conflict within England itself between Protestants and Catholics from the mid-1500's under King Henry VIII, through the Glorious Revolution of 1689 under William and Mary, that had such an impact on the settlement of the English American colonies, especially Massachusetts and Maryland. To the American Founding Fathers, this was all "recent" history, and their genuine desire to avoid its repeat in the new nation led to the separation of church and state as a founding principle of the US Constitution.

 

No, I think you are the one who is dreaming or in denial. You have been here long enough to have observed this behavior in detail, even if you did ignore it for your own sake.

But hey, it's not that I even care. The cognitive dissonance of today's atheists (God doesn't exist; I hate him) is too bizarre for me to decode.

 

Do Atheists also hate Apollo, Mars, Eostra, Bacchus and other mythical beings?

 

Thank you for that rational and well thought out post. I think you really need to get the statistics, since the Cambodia Genocide, which happened in my lifetime, actually cancels out the Hundred Years War when it comes to body count. The Bolshevik Revolution makes the French wars of Religion look like a day at the beach, not to mention all of the deaths in the aftermath of that. Marxist atheists, once again, make even the worst religious fanatics look like pikers.

 

They would if anybody believed in them.

 

That is because you do not understand how an atheist might think, God doesn't exist, I hate the people who claim to do things in his name like Isis, Can you understand that or is it still to complicated? Perhaps you agree that the Islamic god does not exist, but that the things people do in his name are repulsive?

 

No, they will point to something "God saith", usually some OT law that Christianity does not observe, then talk about what an evil character God is. All you have to do is peruse the threads in this place to see it.

And FYI, I am not too crazy about what atheists do, either, particularly the communist variety.

 

Now you are getting it, we think of god as a character "a person in a novel, play, or film". You would not suggest I believe in Lord Vordermolt and hate him would you? We discuss the character of god as we would Lord Voldermolt.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=c...efox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=urxOV-KZOI_S8Af94r2ACw

 

I think it's a legitimate criticism to say the god you believe in is repulsive, even though I don't believe in it. Who'd want it to be true? That god character is a creep.

 

People do believe in them.

 

The real question is what could atheism do for the world? It would make the world less crazy.

 

Atheism has not done anything for the world, because it cannot. Atheism is the lack of a thing and therefore must be considered on the basis of the individuals that do not accept a God as real. Many Atheist have obviously done a great many things for this world, just as have many theists...the question is meant to obviously debase Atheists and promote Theists.

That said...religion has clearly created more damage to Earth populations than the lack of it.

 

WHY does atheism have to do anything for the world ?


What has religion done for the world aside from murdering and RAPING and destroying on a mass scale??


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Atheism provided the world with the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights by separating the church from the state.

 

Ironic!

 

Given that the OP asked for those posts isn't that exactly what the OP wanted?