Saudi Press: U.S. Blew Up World Trade Center To Create ‘War On Terror’

One Saudi who now lives in Canada? Stop the presses.

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Because you have a great deal of misinformation.

 

We should hope so not for US financial stability but for regional stability on and around the Arabian peninsula. The Saudi budget levels of the past twenty years are not sustainable at current oil price levels. If the Kingdom can transition away from being the classic petro-state to a more diversified, broadly based economy, it is possible that its peaceful if painfully slow evolution to a modern nation can continue.

If, on the other hand, the social disruption caused by a third or more drop in oil prices brings about social dislocation and a weakened military, the Kingdom may be back to the nightmare days when Nasser was attaking from Yemen etc. Whatever the outcome in Syria, it is hard to see how KSA will benefit greatly from it. Iran's capacity to stir up trouble along the Gulf is growing. There are challenges ahead and the house of Saud is, quite literally, built upon sand.

 

So you would know its not just the "textbooks in Saudi Arabia (that) promote hate against Christians and Jews." It is the Koran as well.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

 

. There doesn't seem to be any good reason to read it unless you're being forced to by your elders. Otherwise why would anyone bother? It seems that over-focusing on the Koran prevents children and adults from acquiring greater wisdom and knowledge from other books.

But perhaps you may be kind enough to show me where I'm going wrong.

 

Sure why not - when you're accused of playing a role (which they did) in 9/11 stand with the crazy 9/11 conspiracies.

What are they going to say next? ISIS are holograms?

 

Thanks, Dixon, and I am aware of a great many of those passages. I'm just curious to see some examples of the wisdom or knowledge Margot may have received from this book. What is it about it that encourages people to sacrifice their lives for it? What I find interesting is that Muhammad is mentioned just four times in the Koran, and yet they think he's great. Jesus is mentioned 25 times and Moses 136 times. Odd, isn't it?

Of course we may have our theories of why they feel it's a great book but perhaps Margot can share her views on the subject.

 

No....Al-Qaeda purposely chose Saudi members to take part in 9/11.

They did this to create a rift between the American Public and Saudi Arabia.

AA

 

I can vouch for the veracity of what Margot2 posts.

She lived in Saudi Arabia for many years and although I have spent time there it is nowhere NEAR the amount of time Margot2 has been there.

AA

 

You haven't submitted any evidence to support this theory and that 'rift' doesn't seem to have happened. I doubt there was much knowledge or respect for the Saudis before or after 9/11, largely because it's a Kingdom rather than a democracy.

It's a Muslim issue, not a Saudi issue, and there was a great deal of Islamic terrorism both before and after 9/11. It will continue into the future and probably become much worse.

 

There should be no general acceptance of what any poster states, and that includes my own. We should all expect to be challenged, and that applies to you and Margot as well.

 

I understand this issue upon a level you could not possibly imagine.

I know the players and those who were players that we removed permanently.

I have forgotten more about this issue than you will ever learn.

AA

 

I agree.....but I make allowances for members based upon their posting history.

Plus since I have been to Saudi Arabia many times as well as all nations in the Middle East including Yemen and Iran....I know what Margot2 posts is a reality.

Now if a member has a posting history that shows they are a reliable source of information....then I make certain allowances.

AA

 

Wonderful. I'm looking forward to time when you share that knowledge.

 

Not really. All of the koran comes from the mouth of Muhammad.

 

Did you read their minds? You have some evidence? Speculating but stating it as fact? KSM said otherwise. If I were to speculate it was for the same reason that 70% of the members in pre 9/11 Al Qaeda training camps were Saudis. And it was easier for Saudis to get a visa than it was arabs from other nations.

 

You are correct about much of what you post.

But if you ever went to Saudi Arabia you would see what an extremely high level of living the people have there.

The vast majority of Saudi's are not terrorists nor do they hate the U.S.

AA

 

Seems irrelevant to the question of why 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi and your claim that it was by design to create a rift between Saudi and US.

 

The KSA is a bunch of smug bastards and I could care less if they fall back into the sand and camel age. "Revenge is mine" so sayeth the Lord. Would the Middle East be any better off if the Sunni are the prodominate power? I think not. They are a good check against the Shia but eventually one has to win, and then, that winner has to be vanquished.

 

The digital model is either a 1 or a 0. Black or white, true or false.

Are you saying you believe what happened at WTC was a natural collapse?

On topic, the Saudi claim is either a 1 or a 0, either true or false.

 

of course it was to create a rift between the US and Saudi Arabia.. In 1994 Saudi Arabia revoked OBL's Saudi citizenship and declared AQ a terrorist organization.

Saudi Arabia did not benefit from 9-11..

 

Shia are a very small minority in the Muslim world.

Do you know any Saudis or any of the Saudi leadership? I do and I am surprised you would call them "smug bastards".

 

Are you saying he made his statements directly to the stenographers who were taking notes at the time?

 

So many religious leaders or patriarchs has visions or dreams.. including Muhammed.

 

Yes, they are noted for their shopping malls, oil wealth, and their treatment of women and foreigners. Of course it's those Muslims raised on hatreds, who want to kill those who don't share their religious beliefs, who should be a real concern. That they may be in the minority shouldn't lessen the concern.

 

You have never been to Saudi Arabia, have you, Fred?