Guns For Protection.

Indeed.
If blacks in the US committed murder in proportion to their population, our murder rate would drop to under 2/100k.

 

you'd be wrong. local gun clubs in the Greater Cincinnati area are filled. One has a FOUR YEAR waiting period. Another 2.5. 6 years ago there was only TWO public indoor ranges in SW Ohio/Northern Kentucky. Now there are FOUR MORE and the attendance at the first one is about the same as it was 6 years ago. one of my friends started an ammunition remanufacturing business (range brass reloaded to factory specs) JUST TO SUPPLY three of those new ranges. He will produce over 18 MILLION cartridges this year.

 

The shooting sports are growing exponentially too! Sporting Clays, USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge, 3 gun, all have blown up in the past few years.

 

And how many homicides in most european countries are committed by convicted criminals and known gangs? How do they compare to the eighty percent of homicides connected to criminal organizations in the united states?

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None of which does anything to actually protect you from being the victim of a violent crime.

Regardless of whatever reason one cites for owning a firearm, it is all irrelevant since ownership is protected by the united states constitution. It needs no more justification than someone wishing to speak their mind in opposition of government policy, or belonging to a specific religious organization.

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Neither. It is simply a discussion pertaining to the priority level of the threat of harm. Sexual assault is not the same as assault with a deadly weapon. And pedophiles are rarely caught in the act of their crimes, unlike others who threaten to use deadly force against others. Pedophilia is rarely committed in a public venue where it can be witnessed.

 

So, if you get clobbered by a huge drunk bloke, you do not need a gun, or if someone tries to run you over with a car, or mug you with a knife, no, you do not need a gun, Your Lords and Marsters, will not allow you to own a gun anyway, I need guns.

 

The NYS penal code allows use of Lethal force to terminate a Rape, with the risk of an STD or AIDS, there is a risk of death from a sexual assault., as well as death from physical injuries.

 

Violent crime in the U.S. is so out of control?
Based on what study?
The FBI / CDC / DOJ numbers all show that crime in this country is lower than it's been in YEARS.

I'm curious where you are getting this information?

 

I'm almost 50. My days of being formidable are numbered. I don't want to be defenseless at home or in public. I work in some pretty crappy neighborhoods, often at night. I can't convince the cops to escort me to work.

 

So there it is folks - it is not the fault of the guns but of "blacks"

Even though every time I bring up the fact that much of the gun lobby push to have everyone armed is rooted in a "whites afraid of blacks" psychological imperative I am told that is rubbish. That a fear of "blacks" has nothing to do with wanting to go armed all the time

 

But as SYNT says - in other countries where there are no guns people do not feel the need to go armed - even in "crappy" neighbourhoods.

 

So let me get this straight. Despite a higher murder rate among black people the gun lobby is still pushing to give everyone including them the right to own a gun. But the gun community is still racist because we acknowledge that blacks have a higher murder rate? Is everything in Australia upside down?

 

No but I recognise a civil war when I see one

"Blacks are armed and they are going to kill us so we need a gun" and the "blacks" are aware that there are "whites" out there that will use any excuse to kill so they are armed

And so the cycle goes on

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So, then the priest is less of a risk to society than the young black man? Stealing a bottle of cheap booze carries a life sentence but raping a child is a smack across the hand??

 

Well - since I have already been hit what I need is to run away and get the cops - that way I do not have to face criminal charges and I might even get some money

Nope because, AMAZINGLY that does not happen that often here. Firstly - why would someone try to run over me with a car and how would having a gun protect me? Hollywood aside it is bloody difficult to shoot someone in a car unless you are standing in front of the car and then, well mate, is that not putting yourself in harms way??

 

If the majority of white gun owners honestly believed armed black people were a threat we would be supporting the disarmament of blacks rather than fighting for their right to be armed. I know you want there to be a full on war of black vs white so you can be smug about how racist the United States is but we're fighting for equal rights because we believe we can be equals without restricting rights.

 

Pray tell where is this civil war you refer to?

The NRA and various other organizations that support firearm-related rights and freedoms have a significant number of members who are black.

Simply recognizing that the black community commits more crimes than the white community, once population size is factored is, is not the same thing as being racist.

Who is using the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm against the public to carry out their actions?

That is largely the way the justice system of the united states is currently set up, where police officers are guided by use of force laws that are so inadequate, they do not even come close to reflecting international standards. In some states police officers are authorized to use deadly force for the purpose of suppressing opposition to an arrest, meaning in those states it is perfectly legal for a police officer to shoot and kill someone for simply opening their mouth in response to what they perceive to be an unjustified and illegal arrest.

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Why were nearly four hundred people attacked in the city of Nice in the nation of France by someone operating a motor vehicle?

The number of drive by shootings that occur in the united states, especially in the state of California, would suggest otherwise.

 

When the anti-gun can't produce facts they run to their favorite meme, racism.

 

And their solution ? Disarm Law Abiding People !!!!

 

I was thinking the same think about my penis, I never understood the sex angle.

 

Didn't the police in Nice, France stop the driver who was running people over with guns? Also the driver would do so to kill you. I've seen women do this to their boyfriends.

 

The truth is the truth.
The fact that you do not like the truth, and that you know you do not have an argument to counter the truth, is your problem.

 

What do you disagree with?

The fact is 6-7% (black males) of our population commit MORE than half of the murder in the entire country. This is not racism, it is fact.

 

And the victims are mostly Black.... not White.

 

70% of the violent crime in the US is committed w/o guns.
Why do you believe the fact that you are unlikely to be assaulted by someone with a gun means there is no legitimate need for a gun for self-defense?

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This is where cultural and historical differences kick in.

The idea of owing a gun for protection is to people in the UK, something you see on computer games, its not something we'd ever consider in real life.

Owning a gun for protection in ones own home would mean that our society has completely failed.
To most brits guns are used in war and if you live in a very dangerous place, they aren't something we need at home.

There is also the coward angle which you don't have in America. Men who need a gun to feel protected are not seen as real men but that's just our way of looking at it.

This doesn't mean that sometimes a person will be shot dead by a gun but the numbers are very small.

Like is said though - I'm not one of those people who think that you should give up your guns.
I'm just interested in the reasons behind ownership.

Cheers Guru mate.

 

I am glad you live in Fruit-topia, where seldom is heard a harsh or discouraging word, you must be younger ? 18 - 20 group ?

Truth is you have quite a few points dreadfully wrong.

Let's analyze them in order;

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This is where cultural and historical differences kick in.

You and many others are Re-Writing your History;
England started the Original National Rifle Association and the foundation for all shooting Sports.

America merely copied British "Gun Culture" a Heritage you would deny and Re-Write out of History Ala 1984 by George Orwell, an Englishman that said;

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”



The idea of owing a gun for protection is to people in the UK, something you see on computer games, its not something we'd ever consider in real life.

Perhaps now, with the younger game players, however, it was not always like that, especially with the older crowd in their twilight years.

Owning a gun for protection in ones own home would mean that our society has completely failed.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, true your Neighbors you may have known for many years pose no risk, however, you also have many diverse Foreigners that do not have such ethics.

To most brits guns are used in war and if you live in a very dangerous place, they aren't something we need at home.

Protection in the home or on the roads or Highways is always important, now with Terrorists, doubly so.

There is also the coward angle which you don't have in America. Men who need a gun to feel protected are not seen as real men but that's just our way of looking at it.

So, what happens when one gets Old and feeble ?
Or Women that are quite small, delicate, and lack strength facing a savage Foreign brute bent on Rape ?

This doesn't mean that sometimes a person will be shot dead by a gun but the numbers are very small.

Perhaps in your Country, here in the U.S. Drug addicts will kill for very little money, as a former Police Officer / Ret. I can tell you that not only Soldiers in War zones require a gun for protection.

Like is said though - I'm not one of those people who think that you should give up your guns.

So Dashingly Noble of you, I must say.

I'm just interested in the reasons behind ownership.

The Legitimate reasons for Gun Ownership as follows;

1. Personal and Lawful Defense from Armed Criminal Attacks.

2. Constitutional protection should a Despotic or Constitutionally Illegal Governent.

3. Hunting and recreational Shooting Sports.

I have been attacked by Armed Criminals in some very nice areas, and these Criminals were from other areas.

 

It is a FACT of reality that LEGALLY heavily armed COMMUNITIES HAVE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST RATE OF CRIME...as well as have the lowest rate of violent crime and lowest rate of crimes where guns were involved.

Communities that have a population that is not well armed have the HIGHEST RATES OF CRIME....have the highest rates of violent rime and have the absolute highest rates of gun related crimes and shootings.

Now I live in Western Massachusetts which is one of the most heavily armed areas in one of the most heavily armed states in the U.S. as after all the whole concept of the Right to Bear Arms originated here as the British wanted to ban the population of Massachusetts from owning firearms o at the very least greatly limit it.

Anyways.....I don't lock my doors at night.

There has not been a gun related crime here is so long I can't even remember the last time it happened and there has not been a child who accidentally shot themselves or was shot by another here since the 1800's and the REASON for this is because of the NRA.

Every year the NRA sponsors a Firearm Safety Program along with the local Police....Fish and Game and local Gun shops as they have a week long course where every kid both boy and girl who just turned 14 will come down with their mom or dad or both and after they take this course they can get their FID or Firearm Identification Card and then they can get a Hunting License.

The NRA and the Police and Gun shop owners do a great job and teach everyone how to handle a weapon as if it is always loaded and they have several indoor and outdoor ranges and everyone get's to fire all sorts of firearms as well Bows both compound and recurve.

Because of this program kids learn what a firearm can do as far as kill them and unlike some of these people who refuse to allow their kids to LEARN Firearm Safety and then one day such a kid who is not taught is in his buddies parents home and they find a gun and someone get's shot all because a few way overly liberal parents refuse to allow their kids to learn such safety.

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