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Only compared to america

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No. Even with what has happened over there it is nowhere near the levels seen in America

 

Naw as usual you are wrong

 

Come up with some and I will let you know

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Denial - it is not just a river in Egypt

Want to do some actual number comparisons???

 

Correlation does not NECESSARILY equal causation - you left a bit out - as well as getting the application of that saying wrong

Phew!! And you posted this directly after posting that correlation does not equal causation..................

And your proof of this is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,? Bit difficult to prove old chap because WE do not keep races statistics - no information anywhere

Look at a map of Australia (amazing concept I know) and you will see that the ARABLE bit is mostly east coast - where the capital cities are - where there is a dense population

We had one per year for several years and then none for about 19 years

Imagine how much worse it could have been - as it was they sourced the guns from America

A Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...un-used-paris-terrorist-attacks-came-phoenix/

 

I'll try to make things more simple for you.

I was pointing out the ridiculousness of your favorite phrase to the logic you use to defend your arguments.

Yeah I've seen maps of Australia. Maps that show your LIVABLE land is a little over 11 times less dense than the US. Yes, this extends to your cities. Sydney is over 7 times less dense than NYC.

You might want to look at some maps yourself.

While you may have not had "mass shootings", you have had as many people killed in "mass killings". Only someone extremely dense, or with an agenda against firearms, would argue that 10 people getting shot is worse than 10 people getting run over by a truck......particularly when Nice proved that guns are far less effective than other methods.

How much worse could Europe be, an attack every single day?

Got the gun from Phoenix huh? Probably one of Obama's Fast and Furious guns.

 

Why? I and others others have posted numbers, facts, statistics, you seem to ignore them so I thought I would simplify things for you. It also doesn't help that you post ridiculous comments about not needing a gun for self defense and provide illogical arguments against posts that prove otherwise. Kinda hard to take you serious, eh?

 

Only when compared to the united states? Are you attempting to claim that the country of Australia has a mass murder rate that is higher than other countries?

And yet the number of victims in the city of Nice is much higher than any mass killing that has ever occurred in the united states, and was committed with a motor vehicle which was neither designed for, nor intended, to be used for killing others. No individual with a firearm has even gotten close to that number of casualties.

 

Have not seen many statistics from non biased sites and bloody few "facts" of any kind that were not coloured by world view bias

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America, even with recent events in Europe, has a higher firearm mortality. By orders of magnitude

 

Your statistics never seem to differentiate between good guys dying by the gun and bad guys dying by the gun. Some people deserve to dye and it's a good thing for society when they do. A gun doesn't kill anybody unless someone pulls the trigger.

 

Pot meet Kettle

 

not white americans who aren't involved in the narcotics trade. I sort of like drug dealing cockroaches squashing other drug dealing cockroaches

 

There is no such thing as a "good guy" and a "bad guy" there are just people. Tell me is the 17 year old stealing a bottle of booze better or worse than the 40 year old paedophile priest? Which one is more likely to be killed by a gun?

 

Does said minor engaged in the theft of an alcoholic beverage use threat of great bodily harm or death in order to commit their actions?

 

That just a plain silly statement and you know it. It would be easy to pile on examples and photos of the photo evidence of the evil and cruelty some bad people do to others and the horrors they visit on the innocent, but why? I would hope you know the difference, but if not, you can't be helped and and there would be no basis for any kind of rational discussion.

 

The mortality rate that is exclusive to firearms is irrelevant. What is the overall mortality rate for all categories?

The method of death is irrelevant if the overall goal is reducing the number of lives lost due to preventable causes.

 

Does the paedophile priest do no harm? Honestly who are you cheering for?

 

The USA has a homicide rate 3 - 4 times that of most European countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

Not for long. Now they'll discover the joys of multiculturalism like the US.

Stop pushing the boats back out to see and locking them up on Christmas Island detention camps and you can enjoy it too.

 

Why are either of them a "good guy"? Did either break into somebody's house? Did the 17 year old threaten anybody with a weapon to steal the booze? Was the priest caught in the act of molesting a kid? Did a 110 lb mom catch the 200 lb priest in the act and was he about to turn on mom to protect his reputation and career?

Use of force laws are clear about when and where deadly force can legally be used. You can collectively choose to be victims, but we don't think that way where I live.

 

People who have lead sheltered lives are pretty easy to spot huh?

 

So much for you being honest.
Denial - it is not just a river in Egypt

 

Adam Lanza wasn't a bad guy?
Omar Mateen wasn't a bad guy?

 

If i lived in the states then i'd probably arm myself.

I guess that's what i meant by my initial question - Necessity means that as i live in the UK, i don't need a gun to feel protected because almost none of us own guns.

From the answers I've read, it does seem that most people own guns for protection rather than the enjoyment of owning a gun.

Cheers for you reply mate.

 

70% of the violent crime in the US is committed w/o guns.
Why do you believe the fact that you are unlikely to be assaulted by someone with a gun means there is no legitimate need for a gun for self-defense?

 

USA whites have no higher homicide rates than whites living in Nanny gun ban countries. but the good news is Europe is getting tons of FMs who will give then a rather rude introduction into groups that have high criminal proclivities