Conservatives: What did Hitler get wrong?

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Can you name how the US and UK are benefitting from black diversity?

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Quote Originally Posted by Super21 View Post
America was 90 percent white in the 1950s. Why? because the laws were controlled by white supremacists who wouldn't let anyone else in. This country was built on white supremacy and even Bernie Sanders says that.
You can break down how successful each group is. Whites and Asians contribute the most financially while blacks, Arabs and Mexicans are poor. So you cant claim with the facts that ALL diversity is good.

" Quote Originally Posted by PolakPotrafi View Post
The U.S Founding Fathers intended this to be a White nation, as they specifically outlined in their Naturalization Act of 1790, that only Whites of good character are to become U.S citizens.

2. Your starting to sound like a special snowflake victim....so what, that makes a person move to the EU? No offense.

 

Let me guess, you work for the Government.

 

He's closer to a tangerine Mussolini. May he meet the same fate...

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Then it's painfully obvious you are incredibly ignorant of what his predecessors have done.

 

Nope Union Electrician.

http://www.washdcjatc.org/wiremanprogram.cfm

For the days that apprentices attend school and are not on the job, they receive attendance checks after successfully completing the day’s coursework. In the last year of apprenticeship, apprentices attend school one night a week from September through May. While attending night school the apprentices choose from numerous different skill improvement classes to attend. In their fifth year of apprenticeship they must take two skill improvement classes. Typical classes consist of the following:

CATEGORY 5 WIRING
FIBER OPTICS
NEC CODE TEST PREPARATION
FIRE ALARMS
MOTOR CONTROLS
TRANSFORMERS
GROUNDING
HIGH VOLTAGE CABLE SPLICING
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY
BICSI CERTIFICATIONS
NETWORKING
INDUSTRIAL POWER
VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES
POWER QUALITY

Apprentices will receive pay increases during the course of their apprenticeship based on the amount of work hours they have successfully completed in the program and successful school performance. Those raises are set in the following increments:
45% $19.08/hr. 1st Period
Completion of 1000 hours
47% $19.93/hr. 2nd Period
Completion of 1000 hours and 1 year of school
50% $21.20/hr. 3rd Period
Completion of 1500 hours and 1 year of school
60% $25.44/hr. 4th Period
Completion of 1500 hours and 1 year of school
70% $29.68/hr. 5th Period
Completion of 1500 hours and 1 year of school
80% $33.92/hr. 6th Period
Completion of 1500 hours and 1 year of school

As of November 3rd, 2014the rate of pay for an individual who completes the 5-year apprenticeship program and becomes a journeyman electrician in Local Union 26 will be:

$42.40/hr. plus
Paid Benefits

An apprentice who completes the apprenticeship program with the Local 26 JATC is also eligible for 60 college credits through the American Council on Education. These credits have been set up through the NJATC. The Local 26 JATC also has an articulation agreement with Montgomery College, Prince George’s County Community College, College of Southern Maryland, and Northern Virginia Community College. This would afford an individual the opportunity to work towards achieving a Bachelors degree.

Just graduated back in 2015

Opportunity was not there back in 2008 when I got out the military.
2010 President visited, and opened the door an started the step-up program.
many other like it in states that didn't rebel against his policy's.

 

It's racist among those who think it means blacks have greater propensity to be violent. As if it were something in their blood. And people who think whites are superior to non-whites tend to think that.

So tell me. When you conclude "blacks are more violent," are you merely saying that there is a higher incidence of crime among blacks, or are you going further (as do most conservatives) to conclude that blacks are inherently more violent than whites.

That sort of thinking is racist. It's one thing to say the former (higher incidence). It's racist to say the latter. I would be shocked to hear that when conservatives point to statistics showing blacks commit more violent crimes that they are not suggesting that blacks are inherently more violent.

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Is that cool with the rules? Will I get banned? There are so many unwritten rules in the forum rules.

 

The title of the thread asks what Hitler did wrong, which is a long list for WW2 buffs, but now you change it to personalia in that you want to know how it's different from my beliefs. And yes, I compare the left to socialists/communists, so it's not an unfair question.

Except that you haven't attempted to make that connection between conservatives and Hitler. He was a national socialist, which is one of the reasons Hitler is compared to socialists/democrats. The similarities have been explained exhaustively, what with all the social programs that democrats champion, progressive taxation, and many other pieces of socialist legislation that don't even attempt to hide their marxist origins.

What are the parallels? Hard to deny something you don't even know.

 

By all means name one. <Mod Edit>

 

corrupt and bastardized certainly is a proper definition of modern liberalism/progressivism. my liberalism is more jeffersonian in nature and i've watched as liberalism deserted me and mine, becoming a quagmire of muddled collectivism. the op is a perfect example of the near total disconnect with reality that liberals are fast becoming famous for. first the myth is created, in this case it is the myth that conservatism is essentially racist. the myth is created by the liberal establishment and endorsed by the willing ignorance of its sycophantic minions, then repeated until it begins to gain the appearance of reality. repeat the lie often enough and it becomes truth, at least in the eyes of those predisposed to believe such dreck. once the lie becomes truth it can be used to label any opposition in any manner. the racist must be conservative and, by the tortured logic of the willfully ignorant, the conservative must be racist. never mind the fact that conservatism has nothing to do with race or that a huge percentage of those currently considered conservatives are just crazy old hippies like me, folks who would sooner cut off an arm than burn a cross. the black conservative becomes an "uncle tom", the hispanic conservative becomes a self-loathing race traitor, the gay conservative is simply considered insane and on and on and on... conservatism itself becomes the domain of luddites and rednecks, a philosophy of backwardness.

while i've met a few folks who consider themselves liberals and are perfectly reasonable and responsible, desiring only to help their fellow man, such people are becoming harder and harder to find. more and more often i come across these buffoons who fall into the trap of their own mythologies, imagining themselves to be the sole owners of some moral high ground and seeing any opposition in only the most caricaturish fashion. such fools seem to see the rest of us as in need of "re-education", by force if necessary, and themselves as the downtrodden saviors of humanity. who needs that sort of delusional misanthropy?

 

check post # 41 then click the link

 

What is wrong with those statements ?? They are interpretations of history from the 1950's and 1790's. And a question on diversity. All legitimate in a debate forum.

I'm pointing out that what you desire can be found in the EU or in Canada. I here that there are many more celebrities in or soon will be in Canada.

 

The GOP is not overtly racist, though they are perceived as such by many and, to my viewing, seem to make fairly little real attempts not to appear that way, so they are tacitly racist IMO.

Hitler and the Nazis were racist to the core as racism, also called "folkishness" is Naziism's major salient characteristic. The GOP does not really approach this.

Trump, however, is racist/ethnicist in that he very clearly sees people as members of their ethnic groups, rather than individuals. This was made VERY clear in his dispute over Trump University with the "Hispanic" judge, who was born in Queens just like him. He is also Hitler and Stalin-esque in that his main appeal is to have groups of "enemies" and to scapegoat these groups as responsible for all the nation's troubles.

 

Blacks are more violent. It is not racist because it is fact based.

If what you say can be backed up with actual quotes that show the named posters consider whites superior to specific minorities then IMO it should be fine.

 

Yes - in simpler terms the left thinks of itself as the purveyors of goodness. If anyone disagrees with their policies those persons are obviously anti-goodness (aka evil) and all is fair in the attempt to destroy them via personal attacks and insults.

 

Then why did he appoint Barbara DeVos as Sec of Education to promote school choice to help low income minority students get the quality education they desperately need to succeed and Ben Carson to head HUD to improve the urban situation of low income minority people. What did the Obama administration do to help low income minority education and urban development ??

 

What's wrong with those choices?

 

1. Correct. I do so like when ignorance reveals itself., at least they have the balls to state what they mean.

2.I work and earn for what I desire in my country. I got my hand-up because I reached for it. Seems the Trump supporters smacked it away because it was an off color.
Now all I see in these forums are those......nevermind, we are getting off topic. If you follow celebrity's....have at it.

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Hmm...you're about to be the 5th on the list to post #41

 

Absolutely nothing.

 

But you've stated that you desire what is found in the EU or Canada so why do you stay here if it is so bad ?? Which Trump supporters have smacked your hand ?? Do you support school choice and improvements to the urban situation for low income people ?? If so then you should support DeVos and Carson, no ??

Funny ^^ stuff. The statements by the other posters were points of discussion. I suppose now if I mention the 3/5 rule in the Constitution that is all it takes to be added to the list ??

 

So bad?? I never said that...that are Trumps supporters and Trump slogans...make America great again?? WTF?

I wrote about transforming the ACA into singler payer, and collage debt....none of which at the time affect me....but if it is a boom most are looking for that would cause it.

2.yea..you wrote fact , blah blah, blacks violent...kinda lands you in the category of someone who wants to support, "What is wrong with America retaining a white majority?" http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-wrong-america-retaining-white-majority.html crowd, and changes the topic discussion. which is why i said nevermind off topic, I gave you examples. that was that.

 

Wow. You really don't understand. Let me state this in simple binary terms for you. When you say blacks are more violent, do you mean:

1.) There is a higher incidence of crime among blacks, (fact), or
2.) 1 above, and the reason there is a higher incidence of crime among blacks is because they are inherently violent (conservative racist opinion)

Simple enough?

Brewskier and doomug are open about their beliefs that whites are superior to non-whites, to name a few.

 

You posted a list of members on this board on post 41. You didn't explain how they have anything to do with Hitler.

See, this is one of the many reasons why conservatives think lefties are a bit addled. You can't get from A to B. A is the name of the forumite, and B is Hitler.

If you can get to B, then great, but just posting people who you think have anything to do with Hitler is offering nothing.

 

When I see posts like this one, it amazes me how many people post things that they obviously do not understand. In your case, you either do not understand Fascism and Hitler, or the Conservative Principles. If you try hard enough, you can find similarities between just about anything, but those similarities does not mean that the two are synonymous. It is just as easy to draw comparisons to liberalism and fascism as it is to show comparisons between conservatism and fascism. But neither are identical.

Take Nationalism for example. Conservatives believe in strong border security and a national sovereignty, but it is liberals that want to take governing powers from the state. Liberals say that the Federal Government should have all the governing authority, and that states should operate within the federal guidelines. That is text book Nationalism.

Then there is the Authoritarian principle. Yes, conservatives are rigid in their belief that there should be strict limits on who gets government handouts. But many liberals in this country want to have the federal government dictate our entire lives. Take away our choices. They believe in the concept of a national paycheck administered by the government. You work for a company, but you are paid by the government. If you are unemployed, then you still get a paycheck. Plus you get free education and free healthcare. Sounds good right? The problem is that they have to pay for it somehow. Not to mention the fact that they would have to nationalize every industry in the country. Some would even go so far as to want the government to tell them what to eat, what to drink, when to sleep and in some cases when to procreate. These are called Nanny Staters. So again, textbook Authoritarians.

That is just scratching the surface of the Fascist defining principles. The comparisons between liberalism and fascism become far more apparent the deeper you go. But lets also not lose site of the fact that Hitler's Nazi party was not just Fascists. They were also National Socialists. They were hardly the fringe right-wing group that the deluded left-wingers would have you believe.

But you also brought up racism. So, let me address that for a moment. You wrote of "White Superiority". Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard the phrase "Black Power"? Have you ever seen an Latino driving a car with a Mexican Flag prominently displayed? The fact is that pride in you heritage is natural. Every race believes that their race is superior to the other races. That is why many Asians refuse to allow their kids to marry outside their race. It is why the Native Americans refer to themselves as "The People". Yet, only one race is supposed to be ashamed of their race. That is the whites. Why? Because of some fringe group that takes their heritage pride too far. These hate groups do not constitute the mainstream white concepts. No more then the Black Lives Matter actually represent the bulk of the African-American community, or MS 13 represents the Hispanic community. We do not define a race by their fringe groups unless you are white. You will accept institutional racism of every race in the nation, but you denounce racial pride amongst whites. That makes you just one more racebaiter on this board.

Having said all that. Allow me to say emphatically that I do not consider myself superior to anyone. If you do not believe me, ask my neighbors and friends. Almost all of them are African-American. I am white, and I am proud of the fact. I am also proud of the fact that I represent my race honorably. I have a wife that is almost pure Native American. She is proud of her heritage, and represents it honorably. So put that in your bong and smoke it.

 

Please enlighten us with facts from a reliable news source (no kook blogs).

 

"What did Hitler get wrong?"
My opinion Everything

"What is wrong with America retaining a white majority?"
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-wrong-america-retaining-white-majority.html

The steps to do so...Everything.

That was the point of it I think...there's a miscommunication somewhere.

 

Since the Victors write the history that has shaped much of Western thought, it is apparently impossible to discuss Adolf Hitler in a calm & rational manner without denigrating the leader of the Vanquished to the level of a demonic caricature & evil beyond any mortal capacity.

Additionally, because "Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was actually the most culturally, ethnically & religiously diverse military force in Western History”[1], I believe your premise is flawed in that there remain far more racist political movements than Germany's National Socialists (N.S.) such as Israel's "Jews Only" Zionist State:

"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs (Christian and Muslim): Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force." (*)(*)Professor Ben-Zion Dinur, Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954, from History of the Haganah, 1956.


"“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel …Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours….When we have settled the land, all the Arab will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”
Raphael Eytan, then chief of staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, 1983



"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races.
Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982


Before concluding that N.S. Germany was the most racist entity in history, I encourage all readers to read the following source in its entirety:


[1] “Hitler’s War Against the Racists”
http://www.renegadetribune.com/hitlers-war-racists/

EXCERPT “An avid student of National Socialism for over 50 years I have yet to see a National Socialist written or uttered comment critical of other ethnicities save that of the Jews. But, even in this respect the criticism was levelled not so much at Jews as to their social habits and their political intrigues.

In truth, non-Whites in both the United States and Britain were discriminated against much worse than they were in National Socialist Germany.
There is an irony that only in the Workers Socialist Reich, including the armed forces, coloureds were treated as equals. Not so in the United States and certainly not the case in Perfidious Albion.

Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was actually the most culturally, ethnically & religiously diverse military force in Western History” CONTINUED