Trump is the President of death

Proof you cant cure stupidity. Every major city in America has a 'free clinic' -- every major religious hospital has a charity wing. Can't force people to seek healthcare. Some never will.

 

In 2002, I lost my healthcare because the textile company I worked for went out of business (nafta). I, somehow, didn't die.
In 2007, I lost my healthcare again, because the textile company I worked for went out of business (nafta, again). I didn't die again, amazingly.

 

You would be wise to look at the calendar and proceedings for how the ACA was presented, deliberated, and passed compared to the healthcare farce that has happened since Trump's election with the GOP in control of everything. Then you would be wise to consider the fact that the ACA's success has been undercut for political reasons at every turn by the GOP again, who has set about to ensure as many frictions as possible, as many problems as possible, and as many obstacles as possible, again for political gains. Idiotic since the undergirdings of the ACA are drawn from good solutions that originated within the GOP. This revisionism that the ACA was rammed down your throat with no input from the then minority is just baseless and wrong. The bill was out in the open getting tweaked with provisions and being worked on in July 2009. Obama signed it into law in March 2010. By comparison, what would you say McConnell just did?

Maybe we can now consider single-payer, which is the only long-term realistic answer for where we are.

 

Over wrought horse crap. First Trump is at worst recognizing an unpleasant reality. There is no consensus among members of the congressional Republicans as to how best to deal with Obamacare. 2nd who is the architect of the death spiral that is Obamacare, those who created it to fail in the first place, or those who couldn't find a consensus fix for a program that was supposed to be an unworkable disaster from the moment it was written up as a bill.

 

You are right you cannot cure stupidity; That's great every major city has a free health clinic and charity wings (especially for those who were unable to afford preventative medical care); I'm sure they will be able to handle the 20 to 30 million people without getting overwhelmed. Very few if any clinics/charity wards outside the city and I guess the people who live outside the city in the suburbs and rural areas never get sick; guess they just have to die.

 

Worked fine before Obamacare. Worked fine during Obamacare. Will work fine after Obamacare fails. Or maybe you think working folks having $10,000 deductibles is a better way to go?

 

What do you expect when you buy a cheap plan? You expect the world for minimal price. Furthermore if you work, why can you not get your insurance through them?

 

The government should... you know... govern, not run healthcare.

 

Why didn't my property taxes (that support the county 'free' hospital) go down when Obamacare started? How is paying $800 a month for a policy with a $5000 deductible better than having no health insurance? After all, every month you're healthy is putting another $800 in the pockets of rich insurance executives when you could be saving that $800 to pay your own way in case you get sick later.

Questions that should have been asked before Obamacare went into effect. (But of course, they had to pass it to see what was in it... then it was too late.)




Or 6 months...

 

Do you have any idea how many lives ACA saved?

You opine about the cost of insurance that you could put away that $800 every month in case you got ill and would be able to pay your own way? Do you realize that one day in the hospital would eat up most of what you have saved over years, so if you are in for a month, you'll be owned by the hospital for the rest of your life?

As for your property taxes, you want services, it comes with a price tag attached to it. Go lobby city hall to lower your taxes.

 

That's great in theory but when you allow the private sector to run medical care, people die. Insurance companies run unchecked and the death panels decide who lives and who dies. Nice thought eh?

 

The government should govern, not run insurance companies. If one objects to the way insurance companies operate, he can (along with like-minded folks) establish their own insurance system.

In fact, there are several mutual insurance firms, which means that they are run by the insured people themselves.

 

Cutting through all the B.S. and returning to Trump's decision which is the main issue of this thread, the fact remains that his decision will cost American lives. Now we can all go off in various tangents, like Rubio's role in all this, but his ill-advised, vindictive, heat of the moment decision so typical of him is the main topic of this thread.

The irony is, Trump is throwing his fan base under the bus. In large part, who will be affected by his impetuous decision? Answer, the uneducated working class in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan along with poor farmers and ranchers in Iowa, Montana, Wyoming, Texas, and other states. In short, the people who will die sooner as a result of this decision are the very people who voted for the President.

However, his fan base is very gullible. The believe everything Trump says even if it kills them. Despite the fact that the Republicans have had control of both the executive and legislative branches of government and have owned healthcare for the past six months, despite the fact the GOP has been working at and promising to repeal and replace Obamacare for the past seven years, Trump blames the Democrats. So, on their dying beds, the out-of-work miner, automobile worker, and poor dirt farmer will blame Democrats with their dying breath.

Trump made this decision for a political purpose combined with his vindictiveness. He wanted to get back at somebody for his disappointment caused by the failure of his signature campaign promise. He took it out on the very people who put him in office. I can't think of anything more sick.

 

Well, your post is a bit disengenious and here is why in my opinion--
Why did the Government get involved---because the Insurance & big pharma companies have a monopoly---charged people outrageous amounts for policies, out of pocket expenses & co-pays,they also charged more or did not accept people with pre-existing conditions-
The answer to this problem we are having is for our Government to decide who is more important---
The American people or the big campaign contributions given to them by the Insurance companies or big pharma----once they decide to break the monopoly, you will see that the issue is not in getting what you say is "free stuff",it is about getting Health Care at a reasonable price, which I am quite sure people will be willing to pay-----
But,now keeping with the thread,Sandy Sharks is right--No President should not wish for anything that helps the American people to "fail",it is the job of a POTUS to work to end an issue, not create more chaos,more uncertainty & worry--

 

Government run health care is Death. Look at the baby in England.

 

While it's popular to blame everyone in sight- the problem with the cost of insurance is the cost of medical care, and that cost relates to a lot of things besides the salaries of doctors and costs of medicine. Due to our highly litigation-happy society, every pill and medical service of any kind must support a substantial cost for liability insurance. A lot of insurance- for example, the rate for required malpractice insurance of OB/Gyn physicians runs as high as $200,000 per year. If that physician delivers 200 babies a year- each one of them gets a grand added to their bill just for that. All that does is protect them against the tort lawyers who are on every third commercial you see trying to convince you that no matter what is wrong with you, you are entitled to a settlement. All they need is someone with money to sue.

How about we fix the cost problem first, then we can make insurance reasonable?

 

Trump treated Republican Senators to lunch at the White House today and lectured them on their failings. It must be understood that nothing has changed since yesterday when Trump declared that the federal government will just let the current healthcare plan fail. Today, we've heard a lot of rhetoric, but that is it, just talk.

That said, no one is sure what the President wants with healthcare ... including the President himself.

On Monday, he said this. “Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!”

On Tuesday, he said this, "We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us,"

On Wednesday, he said this, "We are in this room to deliver on our promise," Trump said. "We have no choice, we have to repeal and replace Obamacare. We can repeal it but the best is repeal and replace and let's get going. I intend to keep my promise and I know you will, too."

That is three different positions in three days. Americans are confused. Insurance companies are confused. Senators are confused. Everyone is confused.

However, nothing has changed. The Senate has not passed a healthcare bill, and that appears very unlikely in the very near future. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell can't even get enough votes to debate the bill, let alone pass it. Trump may have attempted to shame some Republican Senators, but this is a little foolish. The President doesn't elect the Senators. The Senators are elected by the people of the state they represent. It is those people Senators have to answer to, not the President.

What does all this mean? Trump's declaration yesterday to let the ACA fail still holds. In other words, the Trump administration will do everything it can make sure the ACA fails. As seen in another post, it has already has done plenty.

Who does this hurt? The people who voted for him.

 

He also hates puppies.

 

Not true.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...we-wiped-out-obamacare-bailout-fund-insuranc/

 

What about that baby? And btw...without government funded scientific research, there would be no hope so enough with the demonization of government bull-****. As a side note though, I personally believe that such a poor life quality is not really life at all.

 

No joke...hopefully they never bring an animal into that sadistic family.

 

No, actually I said, "Trump wants his administration to withdraw all federal support for the nation's healthcare law. This will cause millions to lose their healthcare. This, in turn, will cause people to die for lack of care. The lack of federal government support likely impact Medicaid, which is a joint federal and state program that, together with the Children’s Health Insurance Program, provides health coverage to over 72.5 million Americans."

Right, for those that can't help themselves, just let them die. It is the Trump way. It is easy to see why you support Trump.

Life is lot more complicated than building a house. There is life in our cities' ghettos where just living is a challenge. There are children raised in broken homes or raised in a home where parent or parents are felons, perhaps even in prison. There are children raised by drug addicts. There millions of kids getting an "education" in poor underfunded, crowded schools. There are children of the unemployed where food is a challenge.

Sure many rise above these conditions, but, unfortunately, most don't. Those that can't, screw 'em, right. It is the Trump way.

Fortunately, we live in a country where most Americans are not nearly as cruel as you and Trump.

Just 12% of Americans support the Senate Republican health care plan, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, while a 53% majority say Congress should either leave the law known as Obamacare alone or work to fix its problems while keeping its framework intact.

Yeah, I know, all polls that reflect badly on Trump are fake news. The only reliable polls are those that favor Trump. Now, you see, that's another problem Trump and is fans have. They can't face reality.

The ACA is workable, but it needs a little help from the federal government, meaning Trump. It won't get that help and people will die as a result.

It is the Trump way.

 

I am really tired of Trump's friends using the absurd to score points. The tactic really makes a person look foolish.

People die from lack of care. If they do not have health insurance, than they don't see a doctor, even when something seems wrong. They think they will get over it. When they finally do see a doctor, it is in the emergency room, and often times that is too late. Also, if they don't have health insurance, they can't afford medicine. Medicine they might need to survive.

In other words, bad things can happen when you don't have health coverage. Get it now?

BTW, who do you think pays for the emergency room visits by the indigent? You do, every time you see a doctor or go to a hospital.

 

Trump should blame the Democrats. They are the cause of the problem. To not give them their part of the blame. Just wouldn't be Right.

But he really didn't focus on blaming the Democrats. He did focus on those 6 Repubs who didn't want to do their job. Even called them out. So he is putting the blame where it belongs. Funny how you didn't mention that.

The leftness needs to stick with reality. BO peeps special package is the problem. Catering to a small segment of the Nation while trying to get the package to single payer and Government deciding what to pay for and who one can see. Is not the answer.