"Rural Americans are a core threat to our democracy." - Joy Reid, MSNBC

Really, name one right you've lost in the past 11 months? I guess the rednecks in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that are Dems who voted Trump are also a threat to democracy?

 

All I am saying is that rural resident have disproportional representation in america now.

But since you brought it up, do you think it is fair that Wyoming with .18% of the population (584,000 people) has the same number of votes in the senate as Californias 12% of the population (39,000,000 people) ?

 

Yes. Yes I do. I am also equally ok with the idea that Wyoming only has one representative in the House and CA is given 53. But then, I also respect the idea that all of the states, as entities, are equal in the federation. I suppose you don't.

 

LOL by your logic then you would only need 4 states to ratify any changes to the constitution. My cheese what happened to the civics classes in this country.

 

And a welder - stick, TIG, or MIG. And if you need cast iron welded skillfully most likely you got to find a farmer or a Vietnamese-American shrimper.

 

I'm sorry you do not like the fact that my statement of what the 4th says and does not say is correct.

This is false; no such language exists in the 4th.

 

Please - continue acting on this.

 

Absolutely. All states are equal to every other state, which is why all states were given representation on the senate.

 

Who even is she? Why do journalists feel that we care what they think?

 

Because they still think they are gatekeepers, and still think they should be able to control the country.

 

No, I don't. Thats is disproportional representation. "States" are an abstract concept anymore.

The founding fathers could not in their day foresee populations like we have today, let alone the disparate densities of that population. The fact that the Senate is a requirement in any representative legislation, it gives them disproportion power. I very much respect the ideal of a representative democracy, of which we don't have today

 

no, but we no longer have a true representative democracy when states like Wyoming carry the power as California with 1/50th of the population.

 

In this, today is no than any time since the adoption of the constitution and the concurrent creation of the senate.

 

This is nothing more than subjective opinion.
In fact, the states retain the absolute power to dissolve the federal government; in terms of locus of power and sovereignty, nothing demonstrates the concrete nature of the state more than this fact.

 

It absolutely is. The constitution was drafted when their were 13 colonies. They had no way of foreseeing the growth, or the distribution of that growth. So if were going to follow the constitution do we still consider blacks 3/5 of a citizen for representation ?

 

You argue the existence of the senate negates a representative republic due to equal representation of the states in the senate.
We've always had a senate and thus, we've always had equal representation of the states within that body.
If your argument holds water, it means we've NEVER has a representative republic -- and so, today is no different than any day in 1792 or any day since.

 

You're more than welcome to get right on that constitutional amendment to change the election process. You can't get 2/3's of Congress to do anything. You could try the state legislatures.....Oh wait.

 

Swami says... "The founding fathers could not in their day foresee populations like we have today" Really? Clearly, I wouldn't agree with such a pejorative position. The point has always been that all states are equal. Like all people are equal, and the difference between them, the house is representational, and the Senate is egalitarian. By design. I know, howling at the moon is so much more dramatic, it does not, however, make it factually accurate.

 

Nonsense.
According to the 1790 census, 20.7% of the US population, including apportioned slaves, lived in VA, while 1.6% lived in DE.
Fully aware of this disparity, the founding fathers gave DE the same two senators as VA.

 

Agreed. Actually I do think they foresaw areas more populated and intended on preventing mob rule. At the time of the writing, there were states that were merely more than outposts and wanted to ensure they had a voice.

 

She's 100% right, republicans know it too...states that have less people than many American counties have just as many senators as states like CA and NY

 

Constitution: Working as intended.

 

Well nobody ever said the constitution promoted democRacy

 

Let's dumb this down for lefties. It's "affirmative action" for small states. How can they refuse?

 

Small states don't usually vote blue.