"Rural Americans are a core threat to our democracy." - Joy Reid, MSNBC

Exactly. See how they like it when the tables are turned?

 

This country was not designed to be a representative democracy. It is a republic.

 

The 13 smallest states are rather unlikely to give up their equal representation in the senate.

 

Thank you comrade.. And since this is a Republic, and not a Democracy... your point?

 

I already made it, you're just agreeing with me

 

So your saying that they did see that, and that they were right and the constitution should not change based on that ? Correct ?

 

So then why aren't blacks still counted as 3/5 for the purposes of representation ?

 

Irrelevant to the issue at hand.
As illustrated by my post, your argument regarding the disparity of population between states holds no water.

 

They saw the disparity in population between states and gave each state 2 senators.
Why? Two reasons:
-Population is addressed by the house.
-Each state, as a sovereign entity, is equal to all the other states.
Nothing has changed since then.

 

yes it is. Based on the fact that they could not have foreseen the growth or distribution. They didn't see black counting as a full vote then either....correct ?

 

You did not pay any attention at all to what I said.
According to the 1790 census, 20.7% of the US population, including apportioned slaves, lived in VA, while 1.6% lived in DE.
Fully aware of this disparity, the founding fathers gave DE the same two senators as VA.
This nullifies any argument you care to make about not seeing disparity in population distribution.
Your argument holds no water.

 

Since the Connecticut Compromise happened in 1787, that would be kind of hard wouldn't it ?

 

Do you miss the point on purpose, or do you not really get it?
There was a HUGE disparity between the population of the states when the Constitution was written-- thus, the idea that the founders could not have conceived of huge disparities in population between the states is quite simply not true. Thus, your argument fails.

 

The constitution was written in 1787........the census was in 1790........time is linear.

 

Rural Americans are not the problem, the power they have due to our constitution is the real problem. Until they are marginalized by having no more voting power than urban citizens, we will never rid ourselves of their ball and chain.

 

Not really true, Maryland, Rhode Island, Vermont, Massachusetts, and Hawaii are deep blue states.

 

America was not founded on urban rats. Sorry for your luck.

 

Because they aren't slaves anymore. The Constitution did not distinguish between races, it distinguished between free and slave. Since there are no more slaves, there are no more 3/5ths people. In a few places, women and free black men who otherwise met the property requirements were allowed to vote, although these were noticeable exceptions. But nothing in the Constitution forbade free black men from voting or being counted as full persons.

 

I'm white and I agree. And I was a Republican for half of my adult life - now Independent. Why do you think we are all aghast at the election of trump? It is a betrayal of our most valued principles.

You had blood-thirsty crowds cheering for extreme torture and mass murder. He seeks to undermine the free press, the intelligence community, the judicial system and judges, and any sort of oversight.

It might has well have been Nazi Germany. It was the most sickening thing I've ever seen in this county. Indeed, trumpers declared on the Constitution. And I consider them all to be my personal enemy. We have fought wars to eliminate this sort of evil. And soldiers swear to defend the Constitution from enemies like trump. And we will defeat this evil again.

 

We are going to need some cites here. This is utterly ridiculous. And there is NO doubt the main stream media is a bunch of liars with a leftist agenda. It's not unAmerican to call them out for the lies they spew.

 

Your under paid illegal work force grows your stuff.

 

Then thank God for the Constitution that prevents us from being subject to the whims and will of the city dwellers. Your arrogance and condescension is duly noted. People like you make me almost wish for a civil war to break out between left and right, because the left would last about a month before the food in the cities ran out. Then they'd be crying for peace negotiations. The right would have all the food, all the military, all the roads and rails, and most of the guns, barring the guns the urban criminal element stockpiles.

 

No chains or restrictions have been put on the media. The military hasn't taken over any TV stations or newspapers. Of course the media doesn't like the new scrutiny and criticism from average Joes they under, but that's their problem. There's nothing special about the media.

 

I know, it's baby steps....

 

It is posts like this that reveal the true nature of that ball and chain I spoke of in my previous post. Rural America was originally settled by the detritus of Eastern cities, European immigration and white flight from the South post-reconstruction. It is a land of whiteness, nary a speck of pepper anywhere. They accept and cherish the conservative party because it celebrates their racism, ignorance and desire to punish liberals and intellectuals who actually drive this economy. Liberals and intellectuals understand that our support through subsidies for rural America help supply us with food stuffs, minerals, commodities and little houses on the prairie story lines to amuse us on TV. We gladly suffer through their political and religious priorities because we actually care about them despite their obvious hatred for us. When they keep to themselves and vote for the interests of all of us, we enjoy their funny accents and cowboy hats and drawls. When they vote solely in their own interests through ignorance, fear, racism and hatred, we consider the concept of perhaps scaling back our generosity in the future. The future will come for them and when it does, don't expect us urbanites to give a damn about your interests.