Kosovo Forces Seize Serbian Village - War Brews As Serbian Army Mobilizes

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not with Russia but - NATO did go to war with Serbia and then annexed Kosovo from Serbia.
     
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    if Soros wasn't a Jew would he still be your scapegoat?
     
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    Hey Notme, Slobovan Miloshevik's trial was put off twenty times, and when the court day finally arrived so he could prove his innocence, he was murdered. The day before he died, Miloshevik said they were killing him, so his wife asked for an autopsy.

    They found that he was being given a medication that stopped the effects of his high blood pressure medication. Unlike the criminals, he was never allowed to be treated in any hospital and after he died, the Dutch authorities went against all medical practices and refused to release his medical records - no doubt on orders of the US. This allowed the propaganda sheets like the NYTimes and Wash. Post to deceive the public and write that Miloshevik was taking medications on his own.

    Years after his death, and on the 1,303rd page of Karadjic's trial, and where it could be well hidden from the public, Milosevic was found innocent. So much for the: 'Butcher of Belgrade'.


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/slobodan-milosevic-the-killing-of-an-innocent-man/5541534




    This French General took part in the farce and lies created by Clinton, Albright and others to demonize the Serbs and break up Yugoslavia. Try watching it so you could face up to reality.

    Part II


    Part I
     
  4. Jeannette

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    Actually Ronstar it has nothing to do with Soros being a Jew, but with the liberal ideologies he espouses - which in turn are formed from the historical experiences of Jews and their interpretation of events.

    Of course not all Jews follow those liberal and one world ideologies, and yet a large proportion does, so that many identify it as being Jewish.

    Anyway I'm against the one world order in that it inhibits mans freedom and has nothing to do with Soros, who personally I like. The ultimate outcome of Soros' one world order/government will be a rise in nationalism to oppose it - as we are seeing. This is reminiscent of the last century and the rise of the fascists/Nazis to oppose communism.
     
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    Amen.

    I disagree with right wingers and present the smarter viewpoint as do most folks whose views don't square with the right wing. Disagree though me may, we sure as hell don't go around shooting each other, burning down villages, or engaging in anarchy over our disagreements.

    Those people in Yugoslavia have had these endless genocidal conflicts since well before the year 1900. Why? Because they stupidly persist in ethnic/religious chauvinism.

    In the USA we have our disagreements but we unite and call ourselves Americans. Most of us do not engage in religious or ethnic chauvinism. If those people in Yugoslavia called themselves "Yugoslavian" and learned to set aside their personal chauvinism, the bloodletting would stop once and for all.


    They have been told of this for decades (ironically, it was the Soviets who did so most successfully for nearly half a century). But they threw away the Soviet influence - the only thing that kept the peace - and reverted to their violent, hate filled, and genocidal ways. The West has done its best to keep the peace which they refuse. Therefore, the only recourse they have is to awaken their own weaknesses and take the higher road. We cannot do it for them - they need to do it for themselves.
     
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    It's inappropriate since it still got that backyard mentality on one hand. No country is somebodies backyard. That is utterly humiliating for them countries. And having people tortured and starved to death in camps is everybodies business to do something against it.
     
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    Actually the Yugoslavians did get along for years under Tito, and Miloshevik was trying hard to follow his legacy and keep Yugoslavia together, but as the French General said, Germany had made up plans for years on how to break it up.

    Naturally Germany favored its former Nazi allies Croatia and Bosnia at the expense of the Serbs - even to the extent of training Croatians in Germany on how to ethnically cleanse a Serb area. Together with the Albanian ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, 500 thousands Serbs were thrown into refugee camps.

    Of course it was grossly unfair, considering that the Serbs together with the Jews and Roma's suffered mass genocide at the hands of the Croatian Ustasi in WWII. Anyway the intent was to break up Yugoslavia into religious groups, that way they would be in conflict with one another and remain weak. It's the same thing as what they have been trying to do in Syria.

    What gets me is the way they flip things, and turn the nationalists/Nazis and terrorists into the good guys, while demonizing their victims. I don't know what good can come out of making satan your bedfellow?
     
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    ask Stalin
     
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    How on earth did you escape the death camp?
     
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    I still survive in the Hispanic ghetto of St Paul, MN (the West Side).
     
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    Why don't you hop a bus and escape?

    Bet you could make it to Mexico in a few days. Canada is even closer. Tell the authorities you escaped from a death camp and they'll be sure to grant you asylum.
     
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    I moved 1,200 miles West from NY to escape that ghetto there. Seems I can't escape no matter how hard I try.
     
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    Perhaps you are a prisoner in your own mind.
     
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    There are plenty of 2d Amendment advocates on this forum who feel the government needs to be kept in check by gun rights. ;)
     
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    Since you mention Rome, Greece had colonies in southern Italy and in Sicily for two most should be familiar with. But I didn't know they had so many.

    https://www.ancient.eu/Greek_Colonization/
     
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    Oh then you believe our State Department that the 45 people killed in a battle between the police and the KLA Albanian terrorists, were really 500,000 civilians murdered by Serbs? Interesting! Oh by the way, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale. Just imagine it, you can be collecting fare for years on end.

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    The genocide tale

    The official line was that the war was humanitarian, a “moral imperative,” to stop massacres by President Slobodan Milosevic and men. (Who was found innocent later). Five days before attacking, Clinton pictured shootings of Albanians: “Innocent men, women, and children were taken from their homes to a gully, forced to kneel in the dirt and sprayed with gunfire.”

    In January of 1999, 45 bodies had appeared in a ditch in the village of Racak, Kosovo, Serbia. Without evidence, U.S. diplomat William Walker, head of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), said the dead, many mutilated, were Albanian Kosovo civilians murdered by Serbs.

    The European Union hired a team of Finnish forensic pathologists to investigate. Their report remained secret for two years. U.S. media mostly ignored its release in 2001, except for a brief story by United Press International. The findings coincided not with a massacre, but with a two-day battle between Yugoslav police and Albanian guerrillas.

    The number of victims was inflated to 100,000 by both David Scheffer, U.S. ambassador at large, and William Cohen, secretary of defense; to 225,000, by Schefferlater; and as high as 500,000 by the Department of State. Scheffer called it “genocide.”

    Later, Geoff Hoon, British defense minister, said some 10,000 ethnic Albanians had been killed in over 100 massacres. The Associated Press repeated the toll, without explaining its origin. Likewise The New York Times, getting “fresh reports each day of newly discovered bodies and graves.” It ran 80 stories referring to mass graves in Kosovo. Rumors, which the Times and National Public Radio repeated, had bodies being disposed of at the Trepca mine: in shafts, in acid, or in a furnace. Clinton and others compared Milosevic to Hitler. Such talk stirred hatred of Serbs.​

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    And from Carla del Ponte of the UN:

    Carla del Ponte admits that she knew about the mass graves in three provinces of north Albania. Human Rights Watch (HRW) also reported having seen the documents the Tribunal collected, that included evidence of seven KLA militants who claimed they were eyewitnesses of the delivery of kidnapped Serbs to Albania. HRW experts decided to check this information in Carla del Ponte’s book on their own, even though they initially doubted it. They got the evidence and succeeded in getting new information about that.​

    Albanian prosecutors and detectives did not want to collaborate, saying that if Albanians did murder Serbs, they were right to do it. Carla del Ponte had enough courage to publish the statement of Fabio Mini, Italian general who headed the KFOR (October, 2002) who said that “to put Albanians under arrest was difficult because the former UNMIK and KLA leaders were close relations.” Mini was sure that if arrests would start “we would see many local leaders going on holidays guarded by Americans

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hunt-me-and-military-criminals/9418
     
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    That's BC. I don't care about BC. Post modern times only, please. Before the birth of Christ, countries were not even countries as we know them, mate.
     
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    He acted like that in campaigning. But since taking office he has become more of a neocon than he ever was prior. It is his actions that matter not his words on these foreign policy issues. And he seems to be continuing on in the neocon way. Which is not what he campaigned on, IMO.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But then again if it wasn't for Stalin, everyone would be saying Seig Heil, so don't knock him. You're just angry because he went after Jews, instead of only Christians like the other Soviets did.
     
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    My daughter could never understand why I was so adamant about people holding on to their guns. Well this is why:

    Before the massacre of my ancestors in 1832, the Turks took hostage the most prominent citizens on the island of Chios. They told the people they would be freed when the guns were handed in. Of course the hostages were killed, and the guns were given to Turks to use as snipers. They used snipers quite a few times afterwards to ethnically cleanse Christian areas.

    When the nobility realized that the Turks were coming to massacre them, they sailed off to London or Vienna, and the rest of the people either hid, or left for a neighboring island.


    When the Turks arrived, 60 thousand were either massacred or taken into slavery. It was this that aroused Lord Byron and the European nobility, so that Greece was able to free itself.

    The policy of deception and taking hostages in exchange for guns was used again against the Armenians, otherwise the Turks would not have been able to kill so many.

    Fellow Americans, never let go of your guns. Also make sure you have loads of bullets.
     
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    I sourced how wrong you are on for instance that camp. I don't see you're refuting this somewhere with sources.
     
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    What definition of "Ghetto" are you using?
     
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    What part did he take in the 'whole thing' Jeanette? What was this general's specific role in the conflict in Yugoslavia? What rank did he hold in the French military during that war (1989 - 1999 roughly). Did he command French or NATO troops during the Yugoslav Wars?

    You have repeatedly made a specific claim about this man that speaks to the credibility of his opinion on this subject. Time to back it up with facts.
     
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