Kosovo Forces Seize Serbian Village - War Brews As Serbian Army Mobilizes

Basically. If they were non-white we'd dismiss them as 'savages' obsessed with 'tribal conflicts'. If they were all Muslim it would be further proof that Islam is backward & violent. The Balkans are a reminder that white Christians can be as backward and violent as anyone.

 

Albania is Muslim. Serbia is Christian.

Balkans is a Muslim Christian faultline.

 

Gee, really? Well gosh, that just changes everything. In other breaking news, the sun is hot, space is big and most people on PF would a 7th grade history test.

last time I checked Christians in the Balkans had no issue murdering each other over ancient historical feuds....or whatever. The 'faultlines' in the Balkans are a set of backward tribal cultures that always manage to find an excuse to kill each other and always manage to blame someone else or something else.

 

I wonder whether these people would blame Muslims or Jews for centuries of unceasing butchery among Christian factions in Europe. I wonder whom they would blame for Christian massacres of non-Christians the world over. Are nominal Christians ever responsible for their own sins? Are they ever even guilty of sins in the first place?

 

Everyone is violent when they are attacked and their families are threatened - or at least almost everyone. Survival is part of human nature. The question is, which cultures are 'elitists' and 'aggressive', and which cultures are not. The Croatians and Muslims showed their tendencies when they joined the Nazis and helped in the genocide during WWII.

This though has nothing to do with individual reactions, which can be very violent aside from their cultural leanings. The Serbs are not angels, especially when attacked.

 

It's not a Muslim Christian fault line, it's an Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Muslim fault line - and yet they are all Serbs. The problem is not their faith, but the cultural differences in their upbringing because of their faith. It creates different personalities, and this creates paranoia and distrust.

The Roman Catholics were under the Austrian Hungarian Empire, and acquired the elitist attitude prevalent in the West towards the Orthodox Slavs, which the East could not understand and tolerate. The Muslims were the remnant of the Ottomans, and always used the willingness of the Catholics towards the Orthodox to further their own agendas.

They all lived peacefully in Yugoslavia, but it was not to the liking of Washington, so they had plans made up to break up Yugoslavia after Tito died. It wasn't hard to ignite friction between them. Christ said: 'Blessed are the peacemakers'. Well, Washington certainly isn't following Him.

 

Yes the church is really pretty, I like art and architecture, particularly if they are of Baroque or pre-Baroque era like this one...

But Jeanette listen;

Always keep in mind that it's just fine to be Russian, "or acting as a Russian poster for some crowd sourcing reasons". No problem...
However, if you try to attach that an additional fake Greek identity then you simply lose and have obviously lost.
I thought you've already had an idea about me having my own ways to test your claims/ID here but it appears that you had disregarded it. If you had not, you would have known that "Mana su muni" was actually an intentionally misspelled form of "Manas su Mouni" which literally means "your mother's *****" in Greek (I'm sorry, I had to do it). I misspelled it that way because it wouldn't pop as in literal meaning in case a non-Greek speaker have googled it, yet it would have been directly picked up by a speaker of any level in the very second the words were read because the use is very common in Greece, especially at stadiums by fans and in traffic by angry drivers.

Any Greek person, or anybody who's related to Greece mainland with relatives living there, or have lived in Greece would definitely know this very common swearing. Especially a person like you who have claimed many times to have lived there (hence the house), and to have had relatives there. A person who have posted quotes from Greek papers in Greek language many times to this board, as to appear as a poster who speaks Greek, would know it.

So no excuse for that, you got nailed again. No worries tho, I'm doing this for my own pleasure because it just feels good to discredit cheesy manipulators who prefer to hide behind their fake IDs/accounts.

As for the silly trolling about being "Greek Macedonian". You could have at least mind the grammar rules to make it clear who you think would have been offended by mentioning Greek Macedonia; me or the family that I have made up?
Let's try to understand what you said up there. According to your reasoning:
Their (Athens police's) attitudes were worsened because we (me and the Macedonian family) "went" (past tense as the event happened in the past) around (unnecessary wording) and claimed that they were Greek Macedonians when they were not.
Well somebody seems trying to take into account the probability of me being a Macedonian troll I guess.
Average Joe logic: "He's anti-Greek, he knows Balkans and Middle East, but he can't be Turkish. His story and the info he provided in his previous post can also indicate him being Macedonian. Macedonians are anti-Greek and some are friendly to Turks. So let's bait him with Greek Macedonia. Yes, let's give it a try"
Troll gets trolled...
How many moves am I ahead of you Jeanette? You tell me...

 

Rarely. The bad guys are always someone else - a different religion (or denomination), race, ethnicity or political creed. 'My side is the eternal victim' seems to be a foundational creed in the Balkans and a few places farther east. Funnily enough it is also pretty popular in much of the Muslim world. The similarities are amusing.

 

It figures that they would think alike. People really are the same worldwide. Cultural differences are but a thin veneer, ethnic differences even less significant.

 

Oh, then Saint Sophia must be Baroque as well, and here I thought it was built by Justinian?



Dopey, who me?

 

Why so stupid?

Before 1650 = Pre-Baroque.

 

I agree with Vladimir Putin and the Russian philosophy in general, that there are innate differences in cultures and they run deep, so one can't impose the 'sameness' on everyone - nor should they want to. It would be a very boring world if it was so. This is what the liberal new world order is trying to do, as well as the Islamists. It's also what the Nazis and Soviets tried to do, and they failed.

It doesn't mean that people can't grow and accept superior virtues - and by that I don't mean the return to paganism that the EU has embraced, nor the Islamic Middle Ages. Anyway the point is that people have to accept and respect others, lessen the distrust, and see the gain that each culture has to offer - without the belief that superiority exists in knowing how to build a better mouse trap.

 

Goody I have news for you, the common Greek swear word is 'Malaka' (***) and Yamo sou (fock you) and it usual comes with a flat palm - which means in your face. There's a joke about the friendliness of the Greek drivers, and how they'll always wave at you.

Anyway that went on with the oppressive heat in the summer. The cars now have air conditioning.

Malaka, Yamo sou

 

Goody, you had no passports, and the migrants always came into Greece without them so they couldn't be sent back. What did you expect, sympathy from the Greek police that have to contend with thousands of them every year?

They destroyed the safest city in Europe, and now every door has a five bolt lock out of fear of their lives because they don't just rob, they kill as well, and every window no matter how high the floor has iron shutters. In the wealthy northern suburbs like Kefalari and Ekali, they have their own police force, and in other suburbs some of the homes are surrounded with barbed wire.

Anyway as far as the faux Macedonia is concerned, it was a construct of Tito, with the hope that they would be able to grab the port of Thessaloniki. If you told Alexander the Great he wasn't Greek, he'd kill you. I don't understand you people, don't you have any pride? Why are you trying to grab another people's heritage - not to mention their land as well.

Anyway, it's a fake country, and it's going to break up. Your section will go to Albania, and the other part to Bulgaria. I give it two years. There are massive protests going on now.

 

Oh man, I got you there so bad and that's the only thing that matters. But hey, look on the bright side, now you know Manas Su Muni is probably not open for prayers.
Republic of Macedonia is a cool country.
Just as Serbians Macedonians are Slavs. Wait a minute! They actually are more Slavs than Serbs are.

 

You might want to check again because that is NOT how the US political system actually works, either in theory or practice.

The constitution says that congress shall have the power to declare war. That means the US government can only go to war if the congress declares it. The Geneva Conventions are not a congressional declaration of war, which means they cannot authorize the US to go to war.

 

Interesting tension going on between US ambassador and Serbia's pro-Russia defense minister.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-official-denounces-us-ambassador-over-kosovo

BELGRADE, SERBIA (AP) — Serbia's pro-Russia defense minister has denounced the U.S. ambassador to Serbia as arrogant for calling the former Serbian province of Kosovo a sovereign state.

Defense Minister Aleksandar Vulin said in a statement that U.S. Ambassador Kyle Scott "has forgotten that Serbia is not a colony and that he cannot trample on its dignity."

Earlier Monday, Scott said in response to a Serbian journalist's question that "we recognize Kosovo as an independent and sovereign country."

 

War Powers Act of 1973

The act sought to restrain the president’s ability to commit U.S. forces overseas by requiring the executive branch to consult with and report to Congress before involving U.S. forces in foreign hostilities. Widely considered a measure for preventing “future Vietnams,” it was nonetheless generally resisted or ignored by subsequent presidents, many of whom regarded it as an unconstitutional usurpation of their executive authority.

 

Oh don't be such a nitpicker.

That is assuming the GC demands the US to go to war. I doubt it does.

 

I'm not nitpicking. That's not how the US political system actually works.

How else would we enforce the GC in this context apart from going to war?

 

There is one thing I don't understand here: does 'the measure' refer to the Albanians' marching in? That is, is the post saying that the Albanians went in, to 'protect the Serbs'??? It would be nice to believe this, but it seems unlikely.

 

The Albanians lied to cover up their actions.

 

No kidding?

There are differences in culture, but human psychology is universal, and cultural differences are ultimately surface-deep and more imagination than reality. Look at how intolerant Putin and his backers are of opposing ideas if you are concerned about those attempting to impose sameness. Putin seized control of Russian media long ago already, for instance. His political opposition all find themselves smeared into oblivion and abused by the crooked legal system to boot. Critical media are censored, threatened and shut down. Such intolerant thinking and practice are, in fact, universal among all humans and all cultures, even if they manifest slightly differently from time to time and place to place. It's far from limited to Nazis and Soviets.

 

This is certainly true, given that psychology is rooted in biology, and has evolved to help our genes replicate themselves. Assuming that all human beings have the same biology, then they all have the same base for their psychology. (This assumption is not strictly true, of course -- my genes are not identical to yours, or to anyone's, since I have no identical twins. And we can see from the differences in, say, facial features -- which are a result of genes -- among different groups, that there are biological/genetic group differences within our species. However, there is a large amount of genetic similarity among us, so "human psychology is universal" is not completely wrong, and probably a good place to start.)

But even if we were all biologically the same, what is then interesting is how far the human species has managed to transcend its basic animal inheritance. That is, how far 'culture' -- that vague but necessary term -- can modify biological impulses.

There has always been a view of the Russians -- Michael Berdayev had a whole book devoted to this theme, as I recall -- which goes like this: they are inherently a people whose psychology demands a strong, even brutal, ruler. Thus the differences among the Czar, Stalin, and Putin are superficial. They're all fulfilling the deep desire of the Russian people for a strong leader. (The cause of this supposed desire is usually assigned to Russian history, rather than to their genomes.)

I don't believe this for a minute.

All humans want, above all, physical security. That much is certainly biologically-rooted. Any government that is seen as not providing that, has its days numbered.

Once that is secured, they want economic prosperity. (That desire is subject to more 'cultural' influences than the first one, but I suppose we can ultimately root it in our biological drive to live and reproduce ourselves.) Give people both of those, especially when they have not had them, and a government can get away with a lot, and survive a long time. Example: Singapore.

But ... once you've got prosperity and security, something happens, in the modern world. To get these things, you've got to have an educated population. You had better have a certain number of engineers, scientists, technicians, businessmen, auto mechanics, people who can repair your radar sets .... illiterate peasants walking behind the water buffalo may make adequate cannon fodder, but in the modern world, that's not a very valuable commodity.

And there is the problem: illiterate peasants are easy to dominate, especially if they're enjoying reasonable economic success.

An educated population -- especially in the modern world which is increasingly knit together by economics and technical wizardry -- not so much.

But the process of making a population 'modern' -- educated, connected to the internet, knowledgeable about the world -- is a slow one.

So we have to wait. The Russian people will transcend Putin, the Iranian people will eventually be rid of the mullahs, China will be a democracy some day.

What can interrupt this process is war. Which is why we have to bend all our efforts to avoid one.

 

I like to think out of the box, and delve deeply into things. So here goes.

Every friction, every misunderstand, and consequently every war is caused by semantics, since language is what differentiates humanity. The tower of Babel was no farce believe me - but who would want it differently? To force people into the same mold would only imprison mankind. The Soviet Union comes to mind.

To understand the innate differences between people, all one has to do is look at their language. A simple example is the Greek word 'sympathia' since the emotion it expresses in the Latin languages and in Greek, is totally different than the emotion expressed in the English word 'sympathy' since its base is German.

Anyway this is just a simple example of the tens of thousands of differences that must exist between languages and people, and they are the cause of all misunderstandings and friction in the world - be it political or religious. I say religious because I believe the Protestant reformation and the form it took as well as the schism between Rome and Constantinople, was caused more by differences in cultures and the semantic interpretations of scripture than anything else.

To judge others by one's own standards, is self love. To want to impose it on others is nothing more than arrogance - whether it be Islam or the liberal new world order.