Naval Sea Battle In Azov Sea - Russia captured 3 Ukrainian Ships

The issue is this ...

The crisis began on Sunday when, with the help of a cargo ship, Russia blocked three Ukrainian naval boats from entering the Sea of Azov. At least two Russian fighter jets flew to the scene of the confrontation, according to eyewitness accounts. According to Russian television reports, Russian combat helicopters were also stationed in the region.



Russian border guard boats then fired after matching to the Russian and Ukrainian governments off the peninsula, the Ukrainian Navy ships and injuring several sailors. They then confiscated the boats with the help of Enter Commandos of Russian Navy Special Forces and took them to the port of Kerch. According to Russian sources, the three injured Ukrainian sailors are not in mortal danger. They would be treated medically.
Russia defended the action on the Kerch Strait as justified because Ukrainian naval boats illegally entered Russian waters and failed to respond to requests to stop. Moreover, the three smaller ships had tried to "commit illegal acts," the FSB said, according to reports by Russian news agencies.

"As a result, all three Ukrainian naval boats were confiscated in territorial waters of the Russian Federation," said the FSB. A spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry spoke of a provocation by the Ukraine and announced that they would order a senior Ukrainian diplomat for the incident.

Please note: What "criminal act" should these Ukrainian vessels have done? No specification until now by Russia what in detail! And again: the Street of Kertsch is an internation waterway and the Sea of Azov is an international water area with coastline of Russia and Ukraine! The problem is that since Crimea is part of Russia, the Street of Kertsch is under full Russian control and since then Russia behaves not correct and against international law here!



The Kiev government condemned Russia's actions as an aggressive military act. It called on the international community to punish Russia. President Poroshenko demanded on Monday the immediate release of the sailors: "We demand that they be handed over to the Ukrainian side immediately together with the ships." The "brutal" arrest violates international law ...

 

Yep ...

I have no idea which strange nasty pills or other stuff various heads of state and responsible people in many governments regularly take this year ... but I strongly recommend that these people consult their doctor and make a drug rehabilitation!

 

Wasn't calling anyone a racist scarlet. Where do you get that)...


Yeah well....stripey is like a broken record, and sour grapes.
The facts are that those countries joined Nato....for good reason. The russians can cry all they like.

Since when is the "word" of a muscovite any good....just look at whats going on now.....those are international waters not some Russian lake as the moskalis claim...LOL.).

 

What I inferred from your post is, the US says it now "contemplates using them in response to non nuclear threats...." and since there's that report at a dead link I should assume there was a severe cyber attack on the US which may fall to the terms of what the US had promised, a retaliation with low yield nukes.

What I don't have are clear "definition" of non-nuclear threats to see what extend a severe cyber attack might fall to the expression of retaliation, and the very involvement of the US in the incident. It's UK mentioned in the "thing".
So I don't think "anything is possible too"... Should you still think such thing as a thing meant as the anything I rest my thing with the SouthFront thing...

 

Please S... Try pragmatic approach sometimes will ya?

 

LOL....more ukranians work in EU than in muscovia.....the south east Muscovites are "cultural retards" or russified hohols as moskalis claim.
Part of Koba zvolotch resettlement pogroms during the 30s). These cannot be acculturated as you can see. They still idolize Felix, Lavrenti, Koba....1932 called they want you back.).

 

What? S?

 

Yes. S for Stripe...

 

You surety sure sure about that G?

 

Why wouldn't I G? You got something to say bud?

 

Well... Sierra Charlie Alfa Romeo Lima? Duhhh

 

Hmm.... A littoral dust up between Europe's bobsy twins... I wonder what the Russians will do now? repaint the Ukrainian ships and use them as their own? Likely. It isn't like there's any support in the democratic party for Ukrainians these days....

 

I don't know... What's your supporting Argumentarre?

 

Riferimento ai Mike? That'd do.. .

 

Bravissimo... Bravissimo....

 

How did they take them in tow without destroying them?
It's called surrender.

 

It wasn't a dead link when I posted it....but yep, seems to be dead now. Try this:

https://www.ft.com/content/283e432c-0842-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

It worked a minute ago.

The use of a low yield nuclear device in retaliation for a cyber attack is dangerous overkill and worse than that it opens the door for the use of nuclear weapons in response. It's an utterly crazy doctrine.

Would you care to rephrase your 2nd para -- because as it currently stands it's incomprehensible and I'll need several strong shots of whatever you're drinking or smoking to get in the same mindset as you?

 

The only reason that the Russians did not get their rear ends handed to them is that they was facing a navy with the same training and equipments as they employ.

Any of the major Nato nations would had ripped them apart in short order.

 

With all due respect Sir ... do you seriously believe that the Russians are still shooting with a bow and arrow or similar nonsense?

I sincerely hope you are not one of the trolls who seriously believe that the Russians are just junk in the arsenal and so inferior in all things. Nothing ... but nothing else would be more wrong than to believe such a nonsense.

 

I regard that scenario as utterly pragmatic. Starting and exporting wars overseas is America's favourite imperial money trick.

But if you consider this perception invalid, perhaps you could detail cases where and when the American homeland has been invaded or conventionally attacked militarily?

 

This is what I know. It's not much, but at least it's more than you:

The actual 'Rus' are Slavs mixed with 'Varangians' (Vikings) - that's why they're tall and blond. Some acquired blood from the Mongolian invasion later on, (mostly the nobility), and during Soviet times they intermarried - especially I think with Jews. I know that 30% of the Israeli's speak Russian and many are not Jews who moved there to be with their children.

There are 123 languages spoken throughout the Russian Federations, and many are now putting their babies ethnicity on birth certificates as being Russian. There were also a lot of foreigners - mostly tradesmen that came into Moscow and St. Petersburg during its imperial era - especially from France and Germany.

Other than the non Russian and indiginous inhabitants of the different areas of Russia, there were also large settlements of Germans and they suffered greatly after WWII and forced to leave. Land was also given to refugees from the Ottomans - such as the city of Mariapol in Ukraine which was given to the Greeks from Crimea by Catherine the Great. Interestingly, I read in Fort Russ that they formed an anti fascist militia to free it and some other Greek cities from the junta in Kiev.

 

Sir they can barely keep their one aircraft carrier afloat either in a repair slot or under tow.

Their subs are noise death traps.

As a navy power they are a joke and had been for at least a hundred years.

 

You would be completely right if you weren't absolutely wrong.

The Sea of Azov is considered internal waters or a territorial sea shared by Ukraine and Russia. It is in no way "international waters".

https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/ukraine-v-russia-passage-through-kerch-strait-and-the-sea-of-azov/

 

Jenny baby.....wheres those 3+ million ukranian refugees in poland you posted way back when.....i didn't see any when I was there in 2016.....we're they hiding under a chair??

Please post a source for this....imI'curious to know.

And not from fort russ, sputnikS or pravdaP please).

 

Here's the latest from Kiev. As I stated, Poroshenko has no chance of winning the election so his aim in entering the Azov Sea was to suspend the coming election by declaring Marshall law. This way he would have an extended lifespan in office. Tymochenko who is the candidate most likely to win, is coming out with the same garbage so she won't disappear from the spot light.

I love Poroshenko's feigned concern about the sailors captured when he was sending conscripts without training into battle - not to mention what he did to them at Dabaltsevo. Three thousand men were killed when he refused to tell them they were trapped. That way they wouldn't surrender and have their tanks and arms confiscated by the militia. According to the men that did escape, they said that most of the deaths were due to friendly fire, since they didn't know how to use the equipment.

In the meantime, or at least according to Fort Russ, "Poroshenko will be consulting his American backers to see to what extent the situation can be ‘safely’ escalated – short of war, but severe enough to maintain the state of Martial Law." I'm not sure about this, maybe Washington's intent is a full scale war to entangle Russia in a war with Nato. Anyway right now it's in the Security Council.