Is America a democracy? I dont think so.

On the other hand you may be seriously hysterical for no real reason.

 

I agree with all that. For now. But don't underestimate the power of a packed court to find new penumbras and emanations making some parts of the Constitution unconstitutional WRT to other parts of the Constitution.

 

Hi Meta,

Though I'm not very familiar with the outcomes of these voting dynamics, I do like the concept that includes several candidates, and the voters actually ranking them to ascertain an outcome that is supposed to be fair. On a national scale, I personally feel the cola-brand ( D's & R's) of the Establishment will find a way to "win" in spite of the concept.

A healthy democracy actually gives the People choices, but in the present system it's heads they win, tails they win...with the only choice being the same cola-brand.

 

We're a Representative Republic, which is one of two types of Democracies. Direct and representative. We also differ quite a lot from the other representative democracies in the world in that we have adopted a two party system. I really can't think of another representative democracy that doesn't have multi parties. Most others do have their far left and far right parties, but three, four or more somewhere in the middle.

What has happened here, in the good old USA is that our two major parties have moved to the extreme far left and right leaving a large segment of our population without a political party to call their own. This large segment is known as independents or swing voters. With this abrupt shift in our two major parties, since 2005 we have seen those who affiliate or identify with out two major parties drop while independents, today's non-affiliated voters rise. In 2006 36% of the electorate said they were Democrats, 32% Republicans and 30% independents. Today those numbers are 30% Democratic, 26% republican 43% independents. As the shift towards the extremes, left and right, people are leaving or abandoning the two major parties.

But the two major parties are as powerful today with only 56% of our population if not more so than in 2006 when they made up 68%. Extremely more powerful than in 1976 when 76% of all Americans identified with the two major parties or even in 1960 when 81% did. Yet, our two major parties control every aspect of government and of elections.

So perhaps we're not really a true democracy after all. Not when over 40% of the population isn't represented by our existing political structure. You just might be correct, but not in the way you portray it.

 

Not even close

 

Oh, I agree 100%. So why isn't Hillary Clinton in prison for treason, corruption, and collusion with Russia? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html Why isn't Barack Obama in prison for treason, corruption, and collusion with Iran? "'President Obama's disastrous nuclear deal with Iran was sweetened with an illicit ransom payment and billions of dollars for the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism,' said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), the bill's primary sponsor. Rep. Ed Royce (R-Fullerton), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, also introduced a bill that prohibits cash payments to Iran and demands transparency on future settlements. 'Sending the world's leading state sponsor of terror pallets of untraceable cash isn't just terrible policy,' Royce said. 'It's incredibly reckless, and it only puts bigger targets on the backs of Americans. ... This cash bonanza has emboldened Iran's radical regime, and undermined America's national security.'" https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-iran-payment-cash-20160907-snap-story.html

 

And that was proven in a court of law when? Regarding what you mistakenly said was 'illegal cash payments to Iran' I thought that everyone got the memo about that long time ago. But some, like yourself, want to hang onto that myth. Well, it's not true at all. Google it.

 

What's it to you? The subject is the U.S. Either the U.S. is guilty or it isn't. I could be from Sikkim and it wouldn't matter.

 

America is not NOW and NEVER HAS BEEN A DEMOCRACY.

 

Despite repetitive misinformation in the thread, as a matter of irrefutable legal fact, the United States government is not a "Democratic Republic," a "partial or limited Democracy, "a type of Democracy," or any other erroneous attempt to include "Democracy" in the U.S. governing form. The term appears neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration, and that is BY DESIGN. The United States is not some hybrid of Democracy in accordance with the specific, express intent of the Framers of the Constitution, and sick and tired of people who don't understand the governing form claiming that it is.

As a matter of irrefutable legal fact, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, a form of government that is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with a Democracy. This is true because of the checks and balances in place among the branches of government, that no majority of voters can pass ANY federal law, rule or regulation, or revoke any via referendum, and most importantly that the Constitution, not the "will of the people," is the supreme law of the land.

Having a "democratic" voting franchise and a "Democracy," again as a matter of irrefutable legal fact, are NOT the same thing. When people refer to "making the world safe for democracy," they are talking about common people having a voice in government as opposed to a king or oligarchs having absolute sovereignty, which could take place under several types of governing forms... and is why the term is used instead of "making the world safe for the Constitutional Republic."

Several branches of the Complex delight in perpetuating this disinformation towards self-benefit, a) Progressive-Complex Presidents of the past and present and others constantly allude to the "will of the people" in efforts to subvert the Republic, "If the WILL OF THE PEOPLE is to have a Supreme Court with 18 members that I appoint, then that's how it should be... in our Democracy!" b) crit theory Marxist lie narrators; c) garden variety LW railing against things like the Electoral College.

All HOOEY. Don't be fooled, the United States is not a Democracy, a "partial Democracy," a "Democratic Republic" or anything else you may hear from the misinformed or as a purposeful Complex canard among many.

 

Not even a flawed democracy?

 

I know exactly what the word platitude means - and Trump is the King - how many examples would you like ?

His complaints about the system are a different subject. Some have merit and some do not - some are complete BS. The man speaks without thinking .. what can I say.

How does this relate to Education ? Trump is going to tell his base a few things they want to hear ... got it (he is a politician after all - doing what politicians do) but, what is he proposing ? If you can not tell me what he is proposing then there is no point in having this conversation... so .. the floor is yours.

 

tRump is a closet globalist, if only his base was smart enough to figure that out, but then again they voted for this masquerading imposter pretending to love his fellow Americans more than aligning his own personal wealth with the Saudis, etc.,

 

Can you tell me a democratic country that is not a republic or has a constitution?

Why do you Americans bring so much the topic of constitution like a grail in the western world when most if not all western countries have one?

Even that, your constitution has been modified a dozen times, without referendums which is required in all other western countries.

The term democracy and republic are not mutual exclusive.

We call nations democratic because it has many aspects of one but not all: not all decisions are put to a vote, that's about it.

France is a democracy right? It's also a republic.

Switzerland, which I think it's the best democracy is also a republic. In some cantons, people literally gather in the town square and vote with their hands up or down the laws of the that region, like they did for hundreds of years

 

LOL what? I suggest you reread the post I was responding to before you embarrass yourself further. So me evidence where the Swiss gives out guns to all their citizens.

What fairy tale book did you pull that from??

 

I doubt it.
I know they can get one for free from their government. Also free ammo and training.

Swiss has a dormant army, meaning if needed all citizens pick the arms and defend, and most do since they have a gun culture but different from the American one.

Made me think that I never heard of America having a referendum on any issue, ever.

 

This should be sufficiently elementary for you.

The term republic has many different meanings, but today often refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state, such as a president, serving for a limited term,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Liberal_democracy

A liberal democracy may take various constitutional forms: it may be a constitutional monarchy (Australia, Belgium, Canada, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, the United Kingdom) or a republic (France, India, Italy, Ireland, the United States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

 

The above is fallacious.

The United States is not a "Democracy," a "Democratic Republic," a "hybrid Democracy" or any other erroneous label attempting to include Democracy in the governing form. It is a Constitutional Republic.

As a matter of irrefutable legal fact, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, a form of government that is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with a Democracy. This is true because of the checks and balances in place among the branches of government, that no majority of voters can pass ANY federal law, rule or regulation, or revoke any via referendum, and most importantly that the Constitution, not the "will of the people," is the supreme law of the land.

 

Quote more Complex-LW wiki. I am well aware that the ERROR is a very common one among the ignorant, and also among purposeful liars...progressives/collectivists, crit theory hacks in law schools, and generally undereducated products of our dismal public education system.

As a matter of irrefutable legal fact, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, a form of government that is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with a Democracy. This is true because of the checks and balances in place among the branches of government, that no majority of voters can pass ANY federal law, rule or regulation, or revoke any via referendum, and most importantly that the Constitution, not the "will of the people," is the supreme law of the land.

In order for a governing form to be even a quasi Democracy, there must be... must... be... some significant, material, numerous forms of popular referenda at the central level. In the U.S. there is exactly -0- of that. Hell, 90% of our federal government is -appointed- or hired, not elected.

 

That is true for all countries which has one and there are many.

That does not make them not democracies.

 

Repeating the same claim, again and again wont make it any more true. Why not quote something other than the thoughts bouncing around in your own head.

 

This was fallacious the first time you posted it, repeating it doesn't change that. Were you going to keep repeating a fallacy? or address any of my crystal clear points describing -exactly- how the U.S. government is not a Democracy, a hybrid Democracy, a Representative Democracy, or any other erroneous form of Democracy you can think of?

 

What I posted are facts. What you posted is a cut paste of wiki, a specious source for claims with any political content whatsoever.

So are you going to address the facts I have posted three times now without response? or not?

 

No, we're not.

We're a Constitutional Republic.