How to take on Iran

The Taliban has claimed responsibility for that attack.

If the Administration is lying about this....

 

Nine hours between the explosion and the removal of the mine! Perhaps you can explain the delay of US presence at the crime scene?

 

I am assuming you believe Iran is not guilty. How do you explain how you keep a secret when thousands of US sailors are involved? I tend to be very suspicious of conspiracy theory's when thousands of people have to keep secrets.

 

Why would there be thousands involved in placing and then removing the mines? Also, the same question could be applied to the claim that Iran carried it out. Better to see who would gain the most from the explosions and the subsequent blaming on Iran

 

Those thousands are called witnesses.

Iran would like to get other nations to lift sanctions. One way to do it is through pocket books. It will cost a lot of nations a lot of money if oil prices go up.

 

Kind of revealing that the only "evidence" we have seen so far was grainy video of someone REMOVING something from a ship

 

Interesting that so many trust Iran more than our own US military.

 

Sorry, witness to what? If those "thousands" of witnesses did not see the placing or removal of the mines in the first place how could they be witnesses of whoever carried out the attack?

You have gone from "All of their ships have sonar capability plus the patrol aircraft have sonobuoys. Most likely they have some submarines in that battle group. There is likely very little they do know about the coming and going of the Iranian boats" and then ignoring the nine hours delay during which you claim that Iran sneaked a boat up to the crime scene unchallenged and managed to remove a mine, the mine that would have identified the culprit

Iran being bombed due to blame will not lift sanctions, it will flatten the country. You should ask yourself who is hoping Iran gets bombed.

 

Very little happens on a ship that most of the crew members do not know about.

I know the navy has a lot of capability to observe which they are not going to share with us. I can only speculate on this. The Iranians may not have immediately realized one of their mines did not explode and then they tried to block our ships from approaching.

Do you really trust the Iranians more than our military?

 

Reminds me of grainy pictures of Saddam's mobile weapons labs used as casus belli, which later never showed up.

 

It's not our military that I don't trust. It's the Administration. Some of whom are the same folks (John Bolton) who "sold" us Iraq

 

The military are the ones who have claimed it is the Iranians.

 

Blocked them how? What happened to those patrol aircraft or submarines you mentioned? NINE HOURS

 

Why would we do anything during those nine hours? Only the Iranians would know there were unexposed miens. They tried to get between our ships and the tankers.

Again. Do you trust the Iranians more than the military? If that is the case, it is pointless for me to argue with you.

 

Here's how you take on Iran.

You make them pay the price for their belligerence by crushing their economy, and you hope that the Iranian citizens finally get fed up with the lunatic theocrats who run their country spending money on nuclear weapons and terrorism, rather than on improving the lives of the Iranian citizens.

If the Iranian people won't get rid of their lunatic leaders, than they deserve to suffer in poverty-stricken squalor under the thumbs of their maniacal mullahs, and A hole ayatollahs.

 

No, I completely disagree.

Iran is not serious.

Those tanker attacks are not serious.

They did nothing. bend a little steel....

Tankers didnt sink, heck, they didnt even leak....

Tankers are easy pray for Iranian submarines, but they didnt even try to sink them.

The tanker attacks are for some other reason.

Raise the price of oil doesnt make much sense, because America is the worlds largest oil producer.....

I suspect something else is afoot, and America shouldnt get involved.

 

The crew on that ship told the US ship that rescued them that there was an unexploded mine on the hull and that was 7 hours before that mine was removed. Where does it say that the Iranians got between US ships and the tankers - have you read the timeline produced by USCentcom? It is not a question of trust, it is a question of looking at the facts and who has most to gain from attacking the tankers

 

Gulf of Tonkin, WMD, uranium sales, and now this. I've lived through all of these lies and served in the military for one of them. Sorry, Mr. bone-spurs and Trumpets All -- I'm not buying it this time around. Even on this forum there is a river of BS about our vaunted navy, our high tech gadgetry, our scratchy film evidence.

You really think I'm dumb enough to trust the Trump braintrust - Bolton, Pompeo, and Bannon? These guys aren't hawks, they're war mongers. They dig watching bombs go off on their BIG screens while they chug down martinis and play armchair general. Who ends up dead is just "collateral damage." If Americans get killed they can cry and talk about "thoughts and prayers." All so sad.

Warmongers. Learn the word.

 

I ask the same question again. Do you trust the Iranians more than the US Military? It is a choice between the two. Because if you do, it is pointless for me to argue with you.

 

US Military versus Iranians. Your choice who you trust more.

 

BS. Adults don't think that way. There are lots of choices, one of which is to do nothing -- that's always a choice. I never let anyone push me into a corner like you suggested . That is BAD management. Given current data I don't "trust" either. Live with it.

 

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Face it. You have no more information than what the US Military has put out and the Iranian denials. It comes down to s simple choice. Who do you believe? The US Military or Iran?

 

You are the one who pushed yourself into the corner. I merely pointed it out.

 

So everything the US military says must be true, is that what you are saying?

Unlike you, I look at the evidence presented. I notice that you've run away from all your claims