Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do?

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    Russia is anything but over, Trumpers.
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

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    This was not a defense of Trump's actions. You did not deal with the issues I have presented.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Obama told Trump that North Korea was most urgent problem ...
    https://thehill.com/homenews/Administration/322366-report-obama-told-trump-north-koreA...

    Former President Barack Obama warned President Trump as he left office that North Korea would be “the most urgent problem” he would face, (( Let's see no more missiles being shot over our Allies. No threatening to nuke us. Four prisoners released. Bodies of our war dead returned and talks resuming in denuking N.Korea.. Not bad for a guy Liberals said he was going to get us into a nuclear war with N. Korea just two years ago.

    North Korea has to be looking at the deal between Libya giving up it's nuclear ambitions. I am sure Qaddafi was assured that he would be protected from invasion if he gave them up. Yes, I am sure Trump was thinking of the publicity he would get making a deal to get out of Afghanistan and making a deal with N. Korea. But he also knows Afghanistan has been our longest war and we need to get out. It's time the Afgan government handles their own security. I think Trump completely disagrees with Bolton on both. I don't see Kim getting rid of anything unless he gets something from Trump and I'm sure Bolton was against giving anything up. I don't see where Trump has anything to lose by talking with the Taliban. Do I trust them to keep their word? No, don't trust them at all. But better to try making a deal with them and the Afgan government than just pulling out with no deal at all. As for Kim, Trump might be thinking of a peace treaty with N. Korea as a start to disarm their nuclear weapons. Or lighten up on sanctions if N. Korea shows signs of getting rid of their nuclear weapons. Obviously what we have been doing for decades hasn't been working. I don't think Bolton was for either.
     
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    Trump hasn't weakened NATO, he has them committing a 100 billion dollars to strengthen it. Do they agree on everything? No, but that doesn't mean he has weakened it. The Paris Accords the way it stands puts us at a big disadvantage, China and India, the two biggest polluters are exempted till 2030. As it was already, Obama put America at a big disadvantage in trade with the highest corporate tax in the whole industrial world and put on over a 100 billion worth of regulations. Our companies couldn't compete in the world market. That's why Obama had such bad jobs. I am glad we didn't join TPP. We have enough bad trades already. I think if you look at our economy now, I would say America is doing fine with a hot economy and having Blacks, Hispanics and Asians seeing the lowest unemployment in their history. "Record 157,878,000 Employed in August

    “The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,878,000 in August, the 21st record set under President Donald Trump, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Susan Jones reports for CNS News.

    So far inflation is in check
    MAGAnomics – Despite Doom and Gloom Tariff Predictions ...
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/13/maganomics-despite-doom-and-gloom...
    The Bureau of Labor Statistics released the latest consumer price information today which shows overall low inflation at 1.6 percent (with energy price deflation, and flat food prices). Excluding food and energy costs the total CPI remains low at 2.2%.

    From what I hear, Trump cancelled the meeting with the Taliban because of the explosion they committed the day before killing a scores of people including a US soldier.
     
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    NATO is stronger than ever since Trump got other countries to chip in more. Simple fact.
     
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    Trump and his shrinking minions are "day traders" that can't see beyond next week. The world is just too complex for them. In another note, the Big five that once shared intelligence data routinely has pretty much dissolved. Canada, U.K., Australia, and New Zealand no longer trust Trump to keep his mouth shut. He spilled the beans on Israel when he shared their intelligence with Russia.

    I don't bother to argue with Trumpets anymore. Their posts are based on distorted "facts," misdirections (Obama, Hillary), and denial (fake news). And, what the hell is with that high resolution photo of the Iranian launch site? Does this guy have two function brain cells to rub together? Trump is far and away the biggest threat to American and world democracy -- well ahead of Iran and the Taliban and even North Korea (love letters for crissake!).

    I can't think of any president during my lifetime is even one tenth the idiot of Trump. And, the Trumpets constantly attempt to rationalize Trump's behavior by citing a "dastardly" president that left office with over a sixty percent approval rating. Do these guys get off wallowing in BS?
     
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    For an idiot, how is it he was able to do so many things other Presidents couldn't?
     
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    Yep, Sandy is complaining that the Dow is up 66% since Trump took office.
     
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    Perhaps not in a political sense. But Putin was aware of Don by way of his association with Russian oligarchs and the biz ventures in Russia he tried to develop. Surely he understood Trump was malleable due to his dependence on Russian money as well as being a political novice with no core values other than self interest. Given a choice between the former Apprentice star and a seasoned, tough, knowledgeable foe like Hillary it was a no-brainer to back a nitwit like the Orange Clown.
     
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    You desperately want to avoid this issue, Marine.

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? That is a very good question considering the fact that the White House has been shackled during the 2 1/2 years Trump has sat in the Oval Office. Despite his party having control of both the House and Senate for the first two years of his Presidency, Trump has accomplished little or nothing.

    He is the least popular President in modern American history, his staff has an historical turnover rate and is now filled with sycophants, and there are even questions about his mental stability.

    Trump's close ties with Netanyahu while unilaterally proclaiming Jerusalem the capital of Israel has removed the U.S. from Middle East talks because the Arab republics do not trust him. Neither do Great Britain or France because Trump is unpredictable and unreliable. The U.S. has been replaced by Russia.

    Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris Accord to which there are 197 signatories. Under Trump, the U.S. joins with the major emitters led by Russia.

    Because it was signed during the Obama administration, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. He has been urging the Iranian leaders to agree to talks for a new agreement that permanently bars Iran from making a nuke. In the meantime, Iran has followed Trump's example and is in violation of the JCPOA. Our allies are trying desperately to save the agreement. Trump is opposing our allies' intentions.

    Trump has removed the U.S. from lucrative trade agreements, TPP, NAFTA, and has not signed one major trade agreement in 2 1/2 years.

    Much to Putin's delight, Trump has weakened NATO with his constant jabs at our NATO partners. The recent G-7 conference went nearly as bad as last year's G-7 conference and there was no common statement of cooperation.

    Trump has threaten the vibrant American economy. Because of his trade war with China, even he is concerned about a possible recession as consumer confidence is dropping along with the manufacturing index. Trump's harsh tariffs cause inflation, and inflation causes recession. To illustrate all of this, the stock market has been treading water since January 2018. On Jan. 29, 2018, the Dow stood at 26,439. Right now the Dow is at 26,798. It has been below Jan. 2018 figure for most of August due to Trump's tweets.

    Questions about Trump's mental acuity have surfaced recently. Last Sunday, using a five day old NWS in predicting Dorian's path Trump declared that Alabama "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated." On Saturday everyone not named Trump knew Dorian was going to turn north, missing Alabama by hundreds of miles. For a solid week Trump insisted that his faulty weather forecast was accurate.

    When that died out, on Saturday Trump said he cancelled a Sunday meeting at Camp David with the Taliban leaders and the Afghan president. Since the Taliban declined to meet and the Afghan president followed suit, serious doubts emerged that any such meeting was scheduled for Sunday, although the headline seeking Trump wanted such a meeting.

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? The reader can decide.
     
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    Just where is Trump doing what you say Putin wants him to do? Get out of the Paris Accords, because Russia isn't in it? Bull, Russia has nothing to do with Trump's decision to get out. It has more to do with China not having to adhere to it till 2030, which gives them a big advantage in jobs. Because he got tough with NATO and pissed them off? I'm sure he was happy they got angry, but not having them commit 100 billion dollars to it's defense. Putin would much rather see a weak NATO than a strong one. Putin sure wasn't happy with the G-7 meeting. Trump was trying to get the Russians back into it and they refused.

    Manufacturing is dropping because the Big Three are retooling. GM is dropping many of their cars and will be switching most of their line up to trucks and SUV's and they are going to make them all electric. Not sure in the near future, if GM will be making any gas or diesel at all. Ford and Chrysler is also retooling. Dropping most of their auto line up and going trucks and SUV's.

    I have already pointed out how Trump has made Putin mad by giving Poland missiles to counter the ones Russia has near the Polish border. How he also ticked off Russia by giving Ukraine anti tank missiles, How he put on new sanctions and withdrew from the nuclear weapons treaty. Where you get off that he is doing just what Putin wanted is way beyond me. He's been much tougher on Russia than Obama ever thought of being.
     
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    Our NATO allies could not even get Trump to agree to a common statement of cooperation at the G-7, which was what happened at last year's G-7.
     
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    That's not what I said.

    China leads the world in environmental manufacturing designed to combat global warming.

    Yes.

    I have never heard that one before. The Big 3 manufacture new models every year. Manufacturing involves more that just cars.
     
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    You want unfair trade agreements again that hurt workers? You are the definition of the establishment.
     
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    Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer on Sunday praised President Trump for slapping tariffs on $50 billion worth of Chinese products and said he urged the chief executive to do this “three weeks ago.”

    “Not only do they steal our intellectual property, they keep our good companies out, and say the only way you’re going to be able to sell your American products in China … is if you come to China, make them there, and give us the techniques and intellectual property,” the New York lawmaker told John Catsimatidis on his AM-970 radio show.

    The Senate minority leader said he urged Trump to hit China with the penalties because the US would eventually prevail in any trade war.

    “It’s going to take a little bit of toughness at the beginning. China will bark back. But they need us more than we need them — President Trump is right about that — and we should be strong. So I thought what he did on China is right,” Schumer said.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/17/schumer-says-he-told-trump-to-impose-china-tariffs-3-weeks-ago/
     
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    Trump won't make the mistake of appointing his secretary of state to be his NSA.

    Perhaps, while searching for his fourth NSA, he may find a capable official to become his DNI. He hasn't filled that post yet.
     
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    We have full employment.
     
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    Japan did a little bit of the same to steal industries from us. It started with the television industry. At the time, Japan didn't know how to make televisions. They stopped us from selling televisions in Japan and said if we gave them the technology of how to make them, they in turn would give the American manufactures a percentage of the profits of the televisions they sell. But what they did later, was ship them over to America and under cut the American manufactures in price and put them right out of business. Japan's trading practices took away many of the industries we once dominated. China is trying to do the same.
     
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    Trump on Wednesday tweeted that he will delay increasing tariffs on $250 billion worth of Chinese goods from Oct. 1 to Oct. 15 as a “gesture of good will” to China. The tariffs were set to increase to 30% from 25% on the goods.

    We have the largest, most successful economy the world has ever known. Our economy is 20% larger than our nearest competitor, China. We have virtual full employment.

    Please tell me, what is the problem Trump's trade war and harsh tariffs are supposed to solve?

    Tariff is a tax Americans pay. Tariffs cause rising prices. Rising prices cause inflation and less demand. Less demand cause loss of employment. Inflation causes recession.
     
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    You pointed out exactly what lefties ignore, booming markets, auto manufacturing moving towards electric autos, and the Chinese set to pollute more than ever.
    Russia is a leftie manufactured drama play and its last act ended with the Mueller report. Some with severe TDS will never accept the reality.
     
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    Liberals don't realize what Trump is trying to do with trade. We can't keep being on the losing side. Billions of dollars are leaving the country, along with thousands of manufacturing and other jobs. Trump know we couldn't remain a world economic and military power if it kept going. We needed to get competitive and bring those jobs back. We are so broke we have to depend on China and Japan to buy our bonds to pay our bills. Our trading practices have made both Japan and China power houses and made us much weaker. It has to change and we have to look at long term, not short term like the Democrats are looking.
     
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    Thanks to Trump reversing all of Obama's policies. Our economy is coming back. But we still have huge trade gaps with countries like China, Japan and Germany. We still need more and better paying jobs. China has gained a lot on us. Think back to 2000, that is only 19 years ago. Chinese were getting around on bikes and rickshaws. Today they are the biggest auto producer in the world. They are also putting a lot of money in their military and challenging us in the S. China Sea and with Twain, which we have a defense treaty with. China just build a new nuclear submarine factory which can produce four submarines at a time. Ours can only produce two. They have developed the tech, with the help of Russia to make their diesel subs almost silent. China wants to be the most powerful nation on earth. Our bad trades are helping them do it.
     

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