Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

It's important to remember that not everyone believes in "God's Will" or in fact in God or a superior being. They would object to you forcing your belief's on them and they would be right. Bottom line is this; if you don't believe in abortion/late term abortion, then don't have one. Likewise no one should be forced to have an abortion against their will.

 

Yes, that is why you should not have sex with someone you don't love. Mankind figured this out more than 2000 years ago and created the institution of marriage to solve this problem.

My country does not really have a Constitution, but sure, since every Western democracy is the result of Christian civilization building, it is true that the Abrhamic notion of respect for individual liberty is something we all share.

It is true that "accidents happen", however an unwanted pregnancy is the result of an acition and a situation in which you were in full control of; You consented to sex, knowing that sex is how pregnancies happen. Thus, it is neither fair nor correct to call an unwanted pregnancy "an accident" (unless it is the result of rape, obviously).

If you do not want to die from an overdose of cocaine; do not snort cocaine.

Now you are just being ridiculous and making fun of my position even though you are perfectly and well aware of what I am saying and how my position differs from the silly argument you are trying to paint.

And how do we stop "accidental pregnancies"?

See, you are not following the whole chain of causation here.

 

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Many married women have abortions, many married people are not in love, many people in love and unmarried have abortions,.....so many things wrong with your statement.

Whether people are "in love" or not has nothing to do with their rights, the law, their circumstances, their wishes...or anything else...

 

The "potential argument" is not a great argument - but - it is the best that the anti choice side has.

There are problems with this argument on both a moral and legal perspective. The legal is simple so I will start there. In the case of wanting to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term - you have conflicting rights. The relative values must then be weighed on the scales of Justice.

The rights of the woman - in our society - are highly valued. How do I ascribe a value to a potential person ? The woman wins - no contest.

From a moral perspective - we don't fare much better. One can claim "perhaps that would have been the next Einstein" ... well perhaps it would have been the next Stalin ? we just don't know - its all speculation. Perhaps that person would have been born into suffering and thus better that they had not been born ? Most any human - under extreme torture - will beg for death.

Not sure what any of this has to do with being "humanistic" - since a human does not yet exist - and may never exist. Most pregnancies do not end up with a child being created.

 

Unlike the "should nots" of cancer, death, disease and tsunamis, an unwanted pregnancy is something that we can control and prevent.

I have told a million times; I do not respond to posts where the author is randomly using caps lock as it comes out as headless yelling to me and I do not get into political debate with people who are angry.

Yes, those whoring men too! Shame on them.

I never used all caps in any of posts, so that is a false quotation which is against the community rules.

Awwww.

Oh, put a sock in it, won't ya? I very specifically pointed out that rape is an obvious exception to the rule. Stop distorting my position.

 

The single driving force in the human condition is reproduction.

To think that abstinence is a realistic goal is just silly. And it's not just "sluts" who have abortions. Millions of married women get abortions, with reasons ranging from physical and mental complications to financial struggles.

 

It is her decision. If I were a woman, I would definitely not abort. I think that's wrong. And I am not religious.

 

Aha and abortion is the very opposite of that.

Why is it silly? Plenty of people stay married 'til death and most women go through life without ever having an abortion. It is not silly because it is very simple - Ladies cross their legs and boys keep their flies up.

Never have I ever said it is "just sluts" who have abortions and never have I ever said you should not be allowed to have an abortion in cases of health complications and financial struggles, so I am not really sure what it is that you are trying to say here.

It seems as if you are just burping cliches to fish for likes from simple-minded Pro Choicers.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Will you pay for her medical bills, her loss of time at work, her educational losses, the damage to her body and the pain and suffering of pregnancy and childbirth ?

You are correct, it IS HER decision and NO one else's.

I take that as a "no", that you really don't believe adoption is always an option?

 

How many? Who said married women don't have abortions? Who said all married couiples are in love? Who said unmarried couples don't have abortions?

............. So many things wrong with your statement.

It has everything to do with it and the fact that you put in love in quotation marks really reveals a lot about your view on relationships, commiment and humanity at large. Wow. Just wow.

 

WHY would an abortion due to rape be an exception?

 

It is self-evident and should not have to be explained.

 

This is a direct quote from you :""Yes, that is why you should not have sex with someone you don't love. Mankind figured this out more than 2000 years ago and created the institution of marriage to solve this problem. """

So now it's all about me because you have no point ?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
WHY would an abortion due to rape be an exception?

Oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.


Why a person thinks one is OK but the other isn't does call for some explanation

 

It sure is, but that does not read any of what you claimed it does in your previous post, does it?

Shhh.

 

Prostitution existed 2000 years ago for a reason - and it still exists to this day.

It is not just an Abrahamic notion. While the "Golden Rule" - do unto others as you would have them do to you - was the rock on which Jesus based his teachings - this rule was around long before Jesus. Hamurrabi had this rule in his famous law code (1800 BC) as did numerous other ancient legal systems. Buddha had this rule as did Confucius.

The above is abject nonsense ... as per the previous examples given you previously. Everyone knows there is a risk of an accident when they get behind the wheel of a car - Yet when an accident happens it is called what it is - an accident - an unplanned event.

The only way eliminate this risk of harm or accident - is to not engage in that action. There is no difference between sex and driving a car in this respect. If an unplanned event happens - it is an accident.

If you don't fall and hit your head and die from walking - don't get out of bed in the morning. This is a silly argument.

I am not being ridiculous - you are the one putting a very grey issue in strictly "black vs white" terms. It is your "just don't do the action" argument that is silly.

The fact of the matter is that almost all actions in life carry some risk of harm and/or risk of an accident. It is ridiculous to then turn around and claim "if you don't want to have an accident - then don't live life"

2 ways

1) not live life - Choose Chastity
2) use contraception.

 

Are you saying rape is consent? Wow, I really did not expect that from you.

Because one is consensual and the other is not. Duuuuuuuuuuuuh!

 

I am drawing a parallel.. the suffering these people went through is a different subject entirely.

Fetus in 2019 = not a person
jew during ww2 = not a person
slave in USA in 1800s = not a person

You can throw the entire kitchen sink at me but you cant refute my premise, can you?

 

The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.

Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.

No, I said very clearly:
FoxHastings said: ↑
Oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.

DUHHHHHH, I am not talking about the sex act, I am, and was, CLEARLY referring to abortion....uh, duh, they are not the same thing

 

Please, use the quotation function in the correct way when responding to posters.

 

Please use facts when responding to posters...….nothing wrong with my post ….

BTW, was that a dodge?

 

I am not strictly anti-choice. If a woman aborts her pregnancy, she must agree that with her conscience. If I were the father, I would also not be happy with abortion.

Some may think that abortion is routine. From a medical point of view certainly. But abortion can be a terrible mental experience for the parents. Some start suffering often long after the abortion has happened.

 

look at your post again, it is impossible to tell what is a quotation and what is a response since the entire post is basically one gigantic quotation.

 

If you are referring to post 1095, there is nothing wrong with it.....but maybe it has too many facts in it ???


BTW, was that another dodge?

I said very clearly:
FoxHastings said: ↑
Oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.


DUHHHHHH, I am not talking about the sex act, I am, and was, CLEARLY referring to abortion....uh, duh, they are not the same thing