Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

Although I don't agree with Hezbollah being in Lebanon since it was established as a predominantly Christian country by France, and it did have peace with Israel, there is though a large population of indigenous Shia's in Lebanon, so they do have some excuse.. Can we say the same for our being in the Middle East, and that there is a large population of indigenous Americans living there? I don't think so!

No one's going to kick America out of the Middle East, we're going to leave of our own accord and out of dire necessity. We are not as secure as people think, either politically, geologically and financially. The slightest upheaval and we've had it.

 

In my view, any country (be it Iran, US, Russia, Turkey, China etc) has a right to be where it is wanted and doesn't have the right to impose itself on any other by force. Iran's involvement in Lebanon is commensurate with the support it enjoys among the Lebanese people, particularly the largest group in that country, the Shia of Lebanon. The same with in Iraq and even in Syria, where despite the majority of the population being Sunni, their government and a significant number of its people support Iran and have a favorable view of its role in their country compared to any other country.

Let me put it for you this way: I posted the article about Iran's then president, Ahmadinejad, visiting Iraq in 2008 and how he was treated and welcomed by the Iraqi people compared to how the US Vice President, Cheney, had to basically be kept away from them. Or you can look at the enormous crowds in Iraq today. To put it simply, unlike the US, whatever 'influence' Iran enjoys in Lebanon, Syria, or Iraq, it is by virtue of the attitude of the people in those countries. In fact, the "Iranian list' defeated the US list in Iraqi elections even when Iraq was under US occupation. And Hezbollah (despite being underrepresented in Lebanon's sectarian driven constitutional formula) enjoys the representation it enjoys based on people's votes in Lebanon despite enormous pressures (and sanctions) trying to persuade them to choose otherwise.

Here are two videos of two very different Iranian presidents visiting Lebanon. Tell me if this is the reception any American president or official would receive in Lebanon? And I can post similar videos of visits to Iraq.

 

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RS21834.pdf

 

Obama's moronic abandonment of the fledgling constitutional republic in Iraq has empowered Iran.

 

If you go too far, the U.S. will clean out your theocracy. I warned you against killing too many Americans, especially civilians.

I think you're wrong. Many of these countries need to get away from a dependence on oil and base their economy on producing goods and services.

I suggested caution in who you target. Nowhere have I claimed you would target civilians.

 

For decades ???

 

That's absolutely true.

 

Money, not food aid. The energy assistance was part of an agreement that North Korea violated. When they did, we cut them off.

 

Here, incidentally, is a video of hundreds of thousands of people in Karbala mourning the assassinations of General Soleimani. I post this because recently there were a few thousand protesters in Karbala steered in making anti-Iran slogans and attacking Iran's consulate there. The latter protesting basically against the government the majority in Iraq had voted in power! The same majority you see in this video.

 

Revisionist history.

 

Do Iranians have a sense of humor? "Iranian backed forces in Iraq"

We elected two presidents in a row who claimed they wanted to remove forces from Iraq. One a community organizer and one a Hotel twit. The black one (with Sunni roots) was apparently talked out of it by the increasing violence which far exceeded any MOOslims killed by American forces during the war. He only didn't do anything when Sunni Moooslims from Syria invaded Kuwait...I mean Iraq. Then the black one (with Sunni roots) gave lots of money to Iran, and what did they do with it, oh, easy, they killed Moooslims, creating a reason to STAY. This "orange" one would be out by now too. If we just leave, that is just leave "Iranian backed forces in Iraq...," Moooslims will just keeping killing Moooslims in increasing numbers. That is what Moooslims do, if it's not big dictators uniting everyone to kill Jooos, it's Moooslims they hate the most. Just like when I loaded parts in a box for Iran to use to fix their C-130 bombers against Iraq, I asked, "why are we sending parts to Iran," supervisor said, "the other guy is worse."

Hey, how about "Iranian backed forces" get the fracking hell out of Iraq and out of the Arabian peninsula...

 

Maybe the Iranians don't consider themselves oppressed since it's part of their culture, the same as Americans don't see themselves oppressed by our political correctness. Yet we are! Say something out of line, and watch the attacks. If you're not being fired, then your house will be. Same thing!

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"Iran is proceeding now in ways that were unimaginable until we invaded Iraq and basically did what they said, which is provide the Shia with the ability to do what they haven't been able to do in 1200 years, gain a position of dominance over the Sunni." (Democrat, Sen. KERRY, Obama supporter, "CBS NEWS' FACE THE NATION," Sunday, July 6, 2008 )

 

Accurate history. After Obama pulled everyone out Iran took over Iraq. All Sunnis were eliminated from the Iraqi government. Maliki was a puppet of the Ayatollah.

 

absolutely wrong

 

Yep, brutal oppression is part of their culture alright, and as well it should be. It's really the only way to keep the people in Muslim countries under control.

With Brutal Crackdown, Iran Is Convulsed by Worst Unrest in 40

https://www.nytimes.com › world › middleeast › iran-protests-deaths
Dec 1, 2019 - Iran is experiencing its deadliest political unrest since the Islamic Revolution 40 years ago, with at least 180 people killed — and possibly ...
Iran's crackdown on protests may be the worst in decades ...

https://www.cnn.com › iran-protests-violent-crackdown-information-intl
Dec 3, 2019 - Iranians are no strangers to protests. Rarely, however, has the ... One of the worst crackdowns in decades is happening in Iran. Here's what we ...
Special Report: Iran's leader ordered crackdown on unrest ...

https://www.reuters.com › article › us-iran-protests-specialreport › special-r...
Dec 23, 2019 - (Reuters) - After days of protests across Iran last month, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appeared impatient. Gathering his top ...

Iran protests: Videos reveal crackdown regime tried to hide ...

https://www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-50562584
Nov 27, 2019 - Social media is painting a picture of a government crackdown bloodier than many had feared.

 

Yep, hundreds of thousands of Muslims really did admire that dangerous snake of a terrorist commander. I don't doubt it for a minute.

 

Funny how your propaganda channel didn't fully quote Wesley Clark's love of Dictatorship as a cork in a bottle:

“Varney: Is it possible that America’s interests have, in fact, been well served by the war in Iraq? Let me explain that. We have taken the fight to the enemy. The enemy is divided completely. And the enemy is now killing itself, fighting each other. Is that not long term, in a way, in America’s strategic interests?

Clark: Well, actually, I don’t think so. The ‘enemy’ so to speak, were the people that attacked us on 9/11. Saddam had really nothing to do directly with those people. He didn’t encourage the attack, he didn’t aid it. He wasn’t part of it, in fact they viewed Saddam as part of the enemy camp. So we attacked Afghanistan, we took out the government that supported the people that attacked us and then, in my view, in a strategic blunder, moved against Saddam Hussein. He was contained. Yes he was an unpleasant person. Yes he was a potential danger like every tyrant I guess is. But he couldn’t directly strike the United States and he was performing the function of a ‘cork in the bottle’ in the Persian Gulf containing the power of Iran. We removed him.” (Transcript of Stewart Varney interview of General Wesley Clark on Your World Cavuto, Fox News)

I really like this one:

"Obama advanced a racist argument for attacks on Iran and Pakistan. Making a comparison between the 'Islamic world' and the Soviet Union, he argued that the religious outlook of Iranians and Pakistanis made them less prone to compromise and reason and more warlike.

He said: 'With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don’t want to be blown up, we don’t want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain. I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don’t make those same calculations.'”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/oct2004/obam-o01.shtml

 

You forgot Bush Junior, the Texas Toad. The last guy is any foreign policy expertise was Bush Senior and he was the guy who restored the strategic balance in the region after Saddam attacked Kuwait.

Well, there is that.

 

Obama didn't abandon the Iraqi government.

 

Our government spends a lot of time on how to deceive the American public - I mean come on, don't you know we're all idiots. I tried to find a video of the protests in Tehran, and came across one that is partially funded by our government. It showed the 'few hundred' protesters. I bet the rest of the funds come from George Soros - or maybe Saudi Arabia?

Washington Gods
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Take that you fools of misery,
for we are gods of lofty see,
and dwellest not like folks below
who knowest not, but what we show
on the media that is - Jeannette




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The US can do whatever it finds in its interests to do. As for Iran, I have already outlined what I expect to see: the same as the US did (drone/missile attack taking out some US generals or officials driving in vehicles from some airport to some meeting or conference or base), plus a concerted effort to evict US forces from Iraq and Syria.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Good, because I don't see that as something Iran would have any interest in doing anyway.

 

He should have.

What has staying there to "help" accomplished?

 

Most people prefer a strong government to anarchy. I would as long as that government represents my own cultural values and standards, and they're not trying to impose some alien ones on me.