Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

Good Grief, get it right, Sir!! It is spelled mourning.

 

Why was he killed? You have no clue why? He was an evil murdering bastard, and Instant Karma blew him to kingdom come.

 

Yes indeed. Jews are humans after all, and can put their genius to both, good and bad.

 

About 450,000 Palestinians go to Israel each year for medical treatment or medical visitations.
The West Bank does have hospitals - all built by the Jews.
About 480,000 Jews were driven out of seven Arab states after 1948.
About 2 or 3 million Arabs live in Israel - and enjoy a remarkably high standard of living compared
to their neighbors. They can pray on the temple mount - this was built by the Jews but Jews can't
pray there. Signs are in Arabic and Hebrew. These are the Arabs that chose to stay behind when
told to leave by the Arabs in the war of independence.

Jews have been prepared to accommodate Arabs in a two state solution, right back in the
Balfour days. Arabs, privately, have never been prepared to have Jews live on "their" land.

 

The Balfour declaration demands that nothing may be done to the civil rights of the Palestinian people.
And here we have the Jews ethnically cleansing 100.000's of them to thieve their private property.
The Jew demands that they may not go to their homes, but does invite other Jews to live on their property.
Hence it's a vile apartheid state.

 

Many Arabs fled the war of independence.
Many were forced out by the Arab militias
Many were told to go by the Jerusalem Mufti
And SOME were driven out of strategically vital points by the Jews.

The Jews urged all Arabs to stay.
Those Arabs that stayed were accorded full civic rights in the new Israel.

Israel has stated that it will negotiate a return of Arabs IF there is a final
peace accommodation. And why not, it's cheaper to accommodate Arabs
than to spend 6% of your GDP on defense. However, most Jews and all
Arabs know that will not happen as the Arabs will continue to believe that
ALL Israel is theirs - and the Jews must leave or die.
So if you are a Jew, what do you do? They do what you would do.

 

Fake propaganda.
The Jews bombarded the market, blasted around that all the women, children and the elderly had to leave, and were ordered to kill all males. The Jews committed a genocide elsewhere. That is how the Jew treated Arab civilians. Hence all the Arabs fled.

Dunno how you think that. It's not up for the Jews to have the property they stole through ethnic cleansing.

 

The official policy of the nascent Israel govt was that Arabs should stay within their communities
Why? I can take a guess
1 - the credibility of the new Israeli govt depended upon a peaceful solution to the Arab/Jew issue
2 - the departing Arabs destroyed local economies
3 - the loss of Arabs would poison Arab relations for generations to come.

Yes, there were a few strategic places where Jews absolutely could not have Arabs - why?
Because the Arabs, refusing to make peace with the Jews, would be a dagger in the heart of
Israel.
And yes, there were several massacres of Arabs - why? Because there technically was no
Israeli govt at the time - only various militias, some of whom were fighting fellow Jews as
well. The new govt officially apologized for such incidents.

There were also many Arab massacres of Jews. No Arab ever apologized for this - even
before the war, when Jews were living in legally owned land.

So those Arabs who chose to stay are still in Israel today. And doing better than most Arabs
in the Middle East.

 

If that were so, than the Jews would welcome them back, but they do not welcome back the Arab civilians because of their ethnic background.

And you say that, when you previously claimed the Israeli government was that Arabs to say within their communities. See... you ranted fake propaganda.

 

For the vast majority of cases, yes, the Israeli govt wanted Arabs to stay where they were.
But not all places because of strategic issues. This was war, after all.
The condition of Arabs returning to Israel is that the Palestinians must reject all further
conflict and accept Israel's right to exist. Most Israelis know the Arabs won't accept that
so it's not going to happen. But it COULD happen - it's up to the Arabs.
But if you could read Arabic and go on the Fatah Facebook you will see them say that
Jerusalem will be taken back with violence, Islam is the weapon and the Palestinian
children are the ammunition.
That's child abuse, and that tells you why Israelis won't allow the mass migration of
Arabs back to Israel any time soon.

And as for Jerusalem - Arabs live there now in peace. And they prohibit Jews from
worshipping on THEIR OWN TEMPLE MOUNT.

 

Was i talking about Iran ( the Persian soon to be empire ) ?? NO.
I wrote Arabs .. Not Persians.
Please read carefully before answering with pro Iranian propaganda.
Unless you care to find some info regarding Arab's scientific production .. or Science production
Most Arabs i know hate Iran's way of wanting to become an Empire in the Middle East.. they also hate your Ayatullas. HATE.

Now let's talk a little bit about Ayatullas... because if you follow my posts ( i assume you do by your one sided comments ) you should see that i always
wrote how great are most of the Persian citizens .. the problem is their evil brutal fanatic filth region.
Most threads are Anti Israeli because of the anti-Semitism that is always prevalent among evil and hateful people.
Israel is located in an area surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who kill each other on a daily basis.
Israel is a beacon of light in the Middle East.
How do you explain that the Persians were friends of the Jews 60 years or more? What has changed ? Only one thing has changed ... Iran's damned and evil government
that enslaves, abuses & controls it's people with a hard hand .. a region that turned it's citizens from proud people into ones that are living under the burden of the whip !

 

There are several issues with the article at Balfour Project.

The claim that modern Zionism is a result of the influence of evangelical thought and activity is not sustainable. Looking at the larger context, we notice that the handful of evangelicals mentioned in the article never made it to Eastern Europe, for instance. However, Zionism flourished in Eastern Europe far beyond anything in the West, with groups of settlers from Russia, Lithuania, Romania, moving into Palestine in the 19th century in droves. Hovevei Zion and the Hasidic movement owe nothing to evangelicals, yet they were the pioneers of modern Zionism. Yemenite Jews who immigrated to Palestine by the end of the 19th century owe nothing to evangelicals.

There's no doubt that some non-Jewish individuals worked toward the establishment of a Jewish home in Palestine due to their religious beliefs. But to credit them with single-handedly creating modern Zionism and pushing several countries to agree to the creation of a Jewish home, is more than a bit of a stretch. Historical events over which those individuals held no sway whatsoever - like the decision of the Ottomans to join Germany in WWI - played a far more significant role in shaping European policies and the post-war Middle East.

As I already told you - and if I haven't, I should have - when I read an article, the first question that pops into my mind is "what did the author leave out". What we're not being told is sometimes paramount. What the Balfour Project article left out is almost the entire history of Zionism.

I don't like the reasons for evangelical support for Israel and Zionism, but being an atheist, I'd rather have the support of people who believe Jews will be destroyed by God than be left alone to deal with people who believe God ordered them to kill Jews.

 

Blond hair and blue eyes? Like this?


What is she doing in Palestine, I wonder.

Yeah, the argument about the foreign culture is frequently used nowadays against Muslim presence in Europe and US. Great argument, isn't it?

 

Difference is that the Muslims who immigrated to those countries did so in accordance with laws and regulations. This is in stark contrast to European Jewish imperialism in Palestine, where it was their very intention (see Zionist Congress) to found a state in a land already occupied!

 

Yes, the Jew's country was occupied - under occupation.
Palestine is one tenth of one percent of the whole Muslim
Middle East - the Arabs lost their minds over these poor
Jews struggling to get home again.

BTW
Islam invaded Europe - got as far as Vienna.
Islam took over a million young Europeans as slaves.
Islam occupied the sacred site of Jerusalem, which belonged
to Christianity and Judaism.

 

The actions of medieval empires, where the prerogative was to conquer lands and simply administer them, is completely different to the modern imperialistic phenomena of Europeans founding nation-states on the lands of indigenous peoples.

Again, these indigenous people of Palestine included Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The European Jews who arrived with a foreign language and foreign mentality had nothing to do with the country. IDGAF how Jewish they are, they are European and belong in Europe.

 

You said the European Jews do not belong in the Middle East, but by the same token couldn't we say that the Arabs and Turks do not belong in the lands of the former Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire? This doesn't mean I agree with the Zionists and the 'supremacist' attitude that is part and parcel of the world they came from.

What I'm thinking of is; what gain is there for the Palestinian people or any people to live in a state of constant warfare to retake the lands they lost? Do you really think the Palestinians would fare better if they retook Palestine? It might give them a sense of triumph, and for a while a better life from the goods they confiscated, but wouldn't they become like Egypt in the end?

If I recall, Nassar was praised by the Arabs for giving them back their self respect - not to mention the properties of the Europeans as well when he kicked them out. It didn't last though, ten years later the European neighborhoods had turned into slums.

This doesn't mean that material gain should be a person's main purpose in life, after all there are more important values, but no one should be living in misery since it does create hatreds. I have to assume that's why the Palestinian leaders and the wealthy Arab nations that support them, are keeping them in that state.

If the Palestinians had hope for a future, they wouldn't be sacrificing their children - and if Netanyahu had an ounce of brains, he wouldn't be killing their children, since it only feeds into Arab propaganda and goals.

Never judge a tree by its stature, ​

nor the power and the name it wears.
Judgement should only come,
from the merits of the fruit it bears.​

(My version) Jeannette​

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And you previously claimed that "there technically was no Israeli govt at the time".
Obviously you're ranting total nonsense here.

There is no excuse to order around to kill all males, and order to demand the women and children leave... like the Jews did at Haifa, after they bombed the Arab civilians at a market. That's simply genocidal and ethnic cleansing the civilian Arab population. That's how the Jew ethnically cleansed 100.000's of Arab civilians.

There can not be any conditions towards an innocent civilian population that the Jews ethnically cleansed through terror, like they did to the Arab civilians at Haifa. Their right to return stands. It's founded in the Balfour declaration.

We all know that the Jew religion is about the Jew God supporting genocide to thieve the land of Israel from others, like the people of Canaan.

 

Evangelical means to evangelize, and it's not a denomination but rather a movement that came into fashion when main stream Protestant faiths departed from their Puritanical and traditional Christian beliefs in and around the 1960's. Before that the Baptists, Southern Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc., were too busy competing with one another to pay attention to anything Jewish other than banning them from their country clubs.

I think Zionism like communism was an outcome of German/Jewish thought and experiences during the era of nation building. It was facilitated by Jews living in Britain because in WWI, the British were dropping leaflets on the German troops and telling the Jewish soldiers not to fight for Germany, and that Britain would give them Palestine.

While the Jewish experiences in Eastern Europe led some secular Jews towards Zionism and a Jewish state, other secular Jews preferred the elimination of all states - thus communism.

For you to think Christians would be ordered to kill anyone is pretty far fetched. I gather you never read the New Testament. Anyway Christian belief is that all Jews will accept Jesus Christ - someday.

 

may I ask who "we" is? Are you British?

 

I already explained this. If the Romans want to conquer the ME again- go ahead. This is a far cry from transferring tens of thousands of people of a particular ethnic group to a country that was already occupied. It’s no wonder that the Zionists had to lie to convince European Jews to immigrate- “A land without a nation, for a nation without a land.”

But they lied, just as they lie now!

Indeed, the Arabs are useless, which is why Israel was allowed to expand as much as it did.

 

You are right about one thing - the bible tells us that Canaan was given to Abraham.
And God did to Canaan what He did to the Jews in our own day.
Is it just? By whose standard do we judge it? In my eyes it is not just that the Canaanites
was driven out - only, as the bible says, Israel did not drive out many of them, and they
became a thorn in the side of the Jews, to the point that Israel fell from God's grace and
began idol worship.

Yes, technically, no Israeli govt - but that's because there was no Israel. But let's not
split hairs. The Jew were anxious that the Palestinians stay because their credibility
was on the line - and by leaving the Arabs were set to destroy the Jewish credibility
for sharing the land.

It's no point talking about Balfour when the Arabs rejected it. You can't hold the Jews
to a standard the Arabs rejected.
And it's no point talking about SPECIFIC INCIDENTS in a war. Incidents happen. And
the Israeli cemeteries are full of the graves of men, women and children murdered by
Arabs.

 

Yes and no. Large tracts of Palestine were malaria infested swamps or desert.
And this area was part of Syria.
Many Arabs migrated to Palestine when economic opportunities opened up.
But certainly - there WERE Arabs living there.
This is the tragegy - two people have ancient claims to the same land.
This is Isaac and Ishmael all over again - both boys were the sons of Abraham
and both laid claim to the land.

 

Muslims didn't simple "administer" Spain when they conquered it.
They moved in and put all Jews and Gentiles under the yoke of
Islam.
As they will do it again given half a chance.
The Jews have been driven out of about 120 countries - they were
"European" in the same ways American Arabs are "European."
Go tell nuclear powered Israel it shouldn't be there and should
disperse to all the nations that drove it out.

 

Nothing to say about blond haired blue eyed Ahed Tamimi, then. Only blond haired blue eyed Jews bother you. Good to know.

The San Remo Treaty and the Document of the Mandate generate international law granting Jews political and other rights in the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean.

I'm not the one who needs convincing regarding refugees' rights - Muslims or otherwise - just pointed out that your arguments are a double-edged sword.