Swine flu verses Covid-19

Yes, and yet.... more people will die from the flu, even though we have a vaccine for it.

 

I hope not, but history has shown that all of these diseases which are more virulent than the season flu, still kill tens of thousands fewer people than the seasonal flu. And yet, the manner in which you catch the flu, and SARS, and H1N1 and COVID-19 are all the same.

I do think we need to take actions to prevent it, but when it really comes down to you or I, we can only follow a few simply rules to reduce our chance to become infected. What will be interesting to see how many deaths and hospitalization from the seasonal flu occur this year, since most people are actively trying to follow those simple rules.

 

I don't believe I was replying to you when I said it. And (I learned this from Trump), if I say "some", I have plausible deniability against any individual accusation: well, I didn't mean YOU.

But seriously, I wasn't referring to you. And while I agree personal insults should be avoided, do you also call out people here who insult liberals and Democrats?

A lot of the precautions are the same of course. The difference is the scale. We don't freak out over the flu because we have vaccines for it, we know that for even a bad year, it's not going to break the system. This seems almost to have been engineered to spare kids, take out the old and sick, and spread itself around for a long time before people even know they're sick. We're going to be living with this for a long time, and it's going to cut a swath through our 75+ population until we get some treatments online. That's over ten million people. Until we get a vaccine, it's going to be rough, because we can't keep these schools and businesses closed forever. We eventually have to go on with our lives.

But I don't think anyone engineered this. It's just natural selection at work. Viruses that do all of the above are successful, and we were due for a non-flu pandemic.

 

And right we know we actually hope that he does shine, but know that he'll probably bungle it up when he tries, as he must, to make it all about him.

But, since he's probably got it already, it might help make him more sympathetic to the rest of us that don't live on Wall Street.

While he's done normal idiot Trump stuff up until basically the last 2 days, he still does have an opportunity to be a leader here. I hope that he does. This is more important than politics.

But I also know who he is, so my hope is just that. Hope. Because it certainly isn't faith.

 

80,000 people died from the flu in 2018. How many deaths "breaks the system?" We are talking about not having a vaccine for 18 months. Even if this virus were the same as the flu, we'd be looking at 130,000 deaths or more. All we can do is wait and see.

 

Always the optimist. lol

 

Trump is the one who shut down travel at the end of January. While Democrats were busy trying to impeach him and focused on nothing else.

Trump is the one who selected the staff dealing with the problem and has given them free reign.

Trump is the one who made the decisive decision to implement a Christian travel ban (He blocked travel from Europe).

Trump is the one who has been warning everyone of the dangers of relying on China for the last four years.

Trump is the one who didn't wait 6 months to implement national emergency plans unlike Obama's H1N1 that killed 14,000 people and disproportionately affected the young.

Perhaps the day you realize Trump is neither the Ogre nor the imbecile you think he is, your mental anguish will subside as you see reality for what it is.

And he did all of this, despite the constant attempts to take him down and screeches of RRRREEEEEEEEE in his ear 24 hours a day.

ALL AMERICANS are flourishing under this President.

Maybe someday you will realize that.

 

You're hilarious. NOW you believe China's numbers. How convenient.

 

At least he has an argument. You've got nuttin.
Where do you buy TP that they ask political affiliation? That's weird. Personally, I have what I need.

 

Thanks for the data.

 

No one has to hope to make Trump look bad, that happens every day. Did you watch the press conference? He shook everyone's hand.....brilliant. When asked why he disbanded the Security Council Pandemic Team in 2018 he went to his go to answer....."that's a nasty question. I don't know anything about that." So when we have a pandemic it never occured to the stable genius to ask......"what happened to our Pandemic team". Again Brilliant.

 

All good decisions are based on data.

 

Good.

Then use this to explain to me how Covid19 is worse than pneumonia that happens every year:

https://www.lung.org/assets/documents/research/pi-trend-report.pdf

 

Having a hard time making a good decision?

 

Well, since the President's own man says you can take the amount of flu deaths and multiply it by 10.....that gives you the answer unless steps are taken.
Side note....we have a vaccine for the flu but strains are different every year so they don't always work as well a intended.

 

No
I didn't vote for Trump and still won't.

 

Is the number of flu deaths x 10 more or less than the yearly pneumonia mortality rate.

I'll help.

 

Try to focus.

 

It's not the deaths, it's the number of people who become critically ill. For the flu, that number isn't high. That's why no one freaked out about it. For this thing, that number appears to be enormous. 5% in China, although their population smokes a lot. We're not the healthiest youngest nation in the world, either.

 

Xi wouldn't lie, he has to satisfy his constituents, or he's not going to survive; Bloomberg told me that

 

Yeah I figured the argument would have to morph now that the narrative is falling apart.

 

80,000 dead from the seasonal flu last year is a lot of people, especially to the families who have lost them.

I saw a news article which was trying to make the point that covid19 was destroying the lungs of its victims. To show this it showed photos of the scans made of the lungs for some of the Chinese who supposedly died of covid19. The air in many industrialized Chinese cities is horrible, and combined with their horrid working environments, and the stuff they smoke... yeah they would have respiratory issues even before catching the virus. Hence their high death rates.

 

I have read articles from the 2018 flu and they showed how we were losing 4,000 or more people each month. That translates to 40,000 a month, if.... we accept the notion of the 10x convention of thought proposed by some folks.

https://fortune.com/2018/02/10/american-flu-deaths/

 

Well, maybe 40,000 people a month will die from civid19, and you can do your Snoopy dance, or pat yourself on the back, or whatever etc...

 

Sure, but the deaths aren't the only reason people are freaking out about this. It's already got an insanely high mortality rate in Italy, and their healthcare system is swamped. Italy isn't all that different from us. But again, it's the number of critically ill this will produce that's got everyone freaking out. If this just killed 1% of people- bang- it would be manageable. But it doesn't do that. People go in to the hospital and stay there for over a week. Enough people doing that will quickly overwhelm the system.

Does Italy have a lot of air pollution? I get what you're saying: Chinese people are generally sicker than the average American. Probably true. Are you also saying Italians are sicker than the average American? That, I don't buy.