No, the vaccine will not be mandatory.

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Are you ready to see your child turned away from public school? You may not be allowed to fly, take the train, ride the subway, or take a cab.

    Is it worth it?
     
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    You take the mark of the beast and dont worry about me.
     
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    You don't like being laughed at?

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    Mark of the beast?
     
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    That may be true at the state level, but since schools are mostly regulated at the state and local level, that certainly won't be the case everywhere.
     
  6. JakeStarkey

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    Almost everywhere, frodly. Almost all state and fed offices will require proof before you can enter.

    Your church may require proof of Covid19 vax.
     
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    I think you underestimate just how much this whole thing has been polarized. I would be very surprised if every red state implemented those kinds of measures. I'm not saying most won't, I'm just saying a large chunk of them won't.
     
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    Yes, you are going to be very surprised at how few will not impose these sanctions.
     
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    Great, do you care to elaborate? I'd be willing to bet any amount of money you want that a minimum of 15 states won't implement testing requirements to attend school. If you think otherwise, you really don't understand our current political culture.
     
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    AFAIK, there has never been a vaccine developed for a coronavirus (there are many, apparently ) . Also, their mutations are stronger than other viruses. The mutation factor is the reason that there are no vaccines for some diseases (but I'm no expert ). Also note that those diseases declined concomitantly with other disease which were supposedly declined by vaccines. But, if you go back in history a century, the steep slope of the decline began a century ( or two ) before the vaccines were introduced. so, if decline rates are being used as a rationale to explain the effectiveness for a vaccine, there must be an accelerated rate of decline after it's introduction. Of the decline stats I've examined ( it's been a couple of years now, I have to check again ) the only one I know for certain that is true of is the measles vaccine.

    Also, we are giving far more jabs to children than I was given when I was a child ( in the 50s early 60s). Today, by the time a child is 6, I think the CDC guidelines for pediatricians is what 49 jabs? And, there are no studies on the accumulated effect of all these jabs on the health of children comparing vaxxed to non-vaxxed children. Due to life's variables, there is probably no way to correlate directly the fact that kids today are sicker, on the whole, than they were when I was a child.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No vid... u link wrong link?
     
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    There is a law that shields them, which also established the vaccine court. The National Child Vaccine Injury Act enacted (lobbed by pharma ) in 1986. Pharma literally threatened congress that they would quit making vaccines unless tey passed the Act. so, the question is, if vaccines are so damn safe, why is there such a Act? There is no National Child Cough Syrup Injury Act, etc. To date, I believe the awards given by the vaccine court is over $4 billion. There is only ONE reason that the act was passed, and that is, vaccine manufacturers know that the number of lawsuits resulting from vaccines would be vastly greater than for other drugs. Not a comforting fact to know that when you vaccinate a child, you cannot sue the manufacturer if your child is injured due to the vaccine. Go on youtube and search the hashtag #hearthiswell for hundreds of heart rendering stories of children seriously injured immediately following a vaccination (often a series of vaccinations ).

    A friend of mine's daughter went into anaphylactic shock immediately following a HPV vaccination. Now she is having seizures which she never had in her life. It turns out, she was allergic to one of the ingredients, but the doctors, giving out vaccines in a one - size - fits - all fashion, didn't check, and it's on them to check. Ask a doctor what the ingredients are to the vaxx, you'd be surprised that many do not know, nor are they looking at labels.

    I'm not saying 'no' to vaccines, but proceed with caution, and because, even if the risk is small, they should not be made mandatory given that there is some risk.

    Insofar as 'studies' "proving" they are "safe", there's a thing called 'healthy user bias" in the controlled studies, where less than healthy subjects are excluded in the control groups. See, if the control group doesn't reflect reality, then the results will be skewed in favor of the vaccine. The result might report one serious injury for every 3000 jabs, where it might be, in fact, one serious injury for over 100 jabs. There is no way to know. In my view, therefore, because of HUB the safety studies are not reliable.

    Moreover, there is no study comparing the cummulative effect of vaccines on the health of children from birth, to say, early adulthood comparing vaccinated children to non vaccinated children. Many studies are of the epidemiological kind, which are just surveys, not double blind studies. Well, survey questions can be structured in such a way as to skew the outcomes of studies in favor of the manufacturer, especially if the study was sponsored by the manufacturer ( I think many are, but I have to check ). Another thing, no one study is the final word on anything. It takes many studies.

    Look,I'm no expert nor am I saying "do not vaccinate" If there were a measles epidemic I'd get the vaxx ( actually, I'm immune, but for a disease epidemic for which I'm not immune , I would ). I'm saying, "educate", and do not let doctors administer vaccinations on a 'one size fits all' basis. Make sure you know about your allergies ( compare that to the ingredients of the vaccine ) etc.
     
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    All excellent points.

    I kinda doubt a vaccine is even possible, lest we would've had em for the common cold.

    Lotta people are claiming Trump "promised" a vaccine, yet have thus far only provided quotes of Trump saying the goal is to get one as fast as possible. Obviously, if a vaccine isn't possible, then never is 'as fast as possible.'

    FTR, progressive hero Bill Gates seems to be on the 18 months train too...
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-165057497.html
     
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    No video. Just an opinion piece...that's not labeled opinion btw. And the only "promise" mentioned was by the author of the article. Not one bit of evidence that Trump himself promised anything.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet it doesn't sound like you hate the schools that would require it to be done... Seems odd is all.
     
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    Nah, you are wrong. No need to bet.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't drag me to a hospital and I won't ask anyone to help me pay for it.
     
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    Everybody makes their own decision in a free country. But you can't ride with the bicycle club here if you won't wear a helmet and use day running lights.

    Just yesterday I saw two separate nuts riding at night without any lights. But it's a free country and they're free to die any time they want in a Darwinian reduction. Such deaths are a good thing.
     
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    Still calling SARS-CoV-2 a flu? Why are you spreading misinformation?
     
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    I think it's a wonderful narrative for you orangemanbad to keep up. If the American voting public has ever been awake and engaged in what is actually going in politics, it was March-April 2020. The above fabrication fools no one. Pick another card from the orangeman hat.

    Keep the fantasy alive, I'm sure there will be a Netflix and Hollywood treatment of the above absurd lie narrative coming to propaganda boxes everywhere soon since you seem to be the fictional entertainment type. Good.
     
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    Another LW Irony Universe BANGS into existence.

    Since the COVID1984 Scamdemic and Viral Moral Panic of 2020 are now -over- other than for sufferers of LW Authoritarian Personality Disorder, ongoing Constitutional offenses and typical big Democrat city corruption and scams involving a range of Soprano/public union CRIMES, it's fine to save characters by calling it a "flu." You don't like that? Tough.
     
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    Nonresponsive.
     
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    Sure, there may be a few jurisdictions where people are prepared to risk spreading the virus, but I think they'll be few and far between until SARS-CoV-2 disappears from the community.
     
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    If the virus is circulating, teachers will refuse to have them in class.
     

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