No, the vaccine will not be mandatory.

Better drop the hilarious coping and rationalizing above and start forging ballots instead because that is the ONLY way you lot will be able to avoid the approaching landslide in November.

Trump "cultists?" Pure projection, among the hallmarks of the LW along with inconsistency, dishonesty, resentment, envy, sloth, and greed. There -are- cultists in contemporary U.S. politics... Death Cultists. Look at the lengths LW Authoritarian Personality Death Cultists of the LW went to LIE an absurd COVID1984 Viral Moral Panic fake narrative, trying to -keep- it going long past its due date.

 

Oh poor dear leader Trump!! How dare people expect him to lead the country when he has to deal with the bureaucrats (who he is the leader of by the way)!! There is no way Trump could have stopped this, even though numerous other countries did so, because those other countries don't have media or bureaucracies!!

 

Have fun living in your fantasy world constructed for you by dear leader Trump. In reality, presidents don't win reelection when there is 20% unemployment and hundreds of thousands of people dying due to their inaction. Trump may win reelection, but that will only happen, if he actually deals with this crisis effectively. There are only so many cultists willing to drink the kool-aid and deny reality. For the rest of us, he actually has to do his job.

 

Get ready to scream helplessly at the sky... again.

 

Any action could result in "potential" harm.

And the risk of infection is inherent to being human. Literally unavoidable.

COVID isn't unique or special. It's just one more risk in a world full of risks.

Pretending like things have changed fundamentally because of a virus is just neurotic.

 

First, I knew in 2016 Trump had a chance of winning and I even told people around me I feared the possibility that he'd lose the popular vote, but win the electoral college in the days leading up to the election. My fears turned out to be justified.

However, 2016 IS NOT 2020. If you use that one data point to extrapolate your entire worldview on how politics works, you are making a big mistake. In 2016, he was an outsider with no record, looking to shake up the establishment. Now he is the establishment and he's overseeing a catastrophic epidemic response and economic crisis. If the virus is much less serious than most experts believe, and as a result of that, the economy rebounds quickly, I expect Trump to get reelected. While that is a possible outcome, it hardly seems like the most likely outcome. It seems like a less likely outcome than that the virus is as serious or at least close to as serious as experts think. The economy reopens, but people's behavior shifts radically out of fear of the virus, and we head into November with more than 10% unemployment. In that scenario, it will be a wipeout. Trump will lose by 5-7 points, which will even allow Democrats to retake the senate. Even if the virus is less serious than feared, but doesn't magically disappear (which it won't), people's behavior will still shift enough to not allow for that v-shaped recovery people were hoping for. In that scenario, maybe unemployment is 7-8%, but without the increased UI (which expires at the end of July). We will then have at best a toss up, which likely favors Biden slightly. In that scenario, Trump might lose the presidency by 3-4 points, but the Republicans are able to keep control of the senate. Or he might lose the popular vote by 2-3 points, while again squeaking out close wins in swing states, and be reelected. What I know for an absolute certainty, is that Trump is absolutely not in a good position to win at the moment, compared to 5 months ago. 5 months ago, he was a clear favorite for reelection. Now, he needs the fundamentals of our society to drastically improve, or he WILL be a one term president.

 

Yes, and we seek to mitigate those risks by having speed limits, having vaccines, having crosswalks, having safety standards, having pollution controls, etc. etc. I am not pretending things have "changed fundamentally," as I am vaccinated against multiple other diseases!! It is not like I was an anti-vaxxer, but then Sars-CoV-2 came along, and suddenly I was all on board with vaccines. No, I have all my required vaccines and I expect my fellow citizens to be smart and responsible enough to get their vaccinations as well. That isn't neurotic, it is reasonable behavior, in the face of that ubiquitous risk you spoke of.

 

The response is wildly disproportionate to the risk. Over 99% of people infected with COVID survive - that is just a fact.

You mentioned speed limits. The lockdowns are the equivalent of making everyone in America drive under 5 MPH at all times.

It's also an obscene violation of basic human rights - specifically, freedom of association and freedom of movement.

Over 30 million Americans have been put out of work, thousands of businesses have been destroyed, and the federal government is spending itself into oblivion.

The amount of damage done to society by the lockdowns will far exceed the damage that COVID would have done in their absence.

 

Except Biden is clearly senile. Assuming he even shows up for the debates, which I doubt he will, Trump is going to eviscerate him. And Trump will simply make the case that these economic woes are being caused by Democratic governors who refuse to open up their economies. Trump will remind everyone how well the economy was doing BEFORE these intransigent governors took their States hostage. Trump will paint Biden and Democrats as the ones who want to keep everyone locked down inside their homes. And Trump will be correct on both counts.

 

It should be made mandatory for school age children as a prerequisite for attending public schools.

1 infected child attending class could potentially lead to thousands of additional infections both in the school and in the community.

 

Absolutely ridiculous and unscientific.

Children are at virtually zero risk from this virus.

Except that hasn't happened in Sweden where schools have remained opened the entire time.

 

Try not to respond emotionally as a Trumpinista and think about it.

First, children are getting sick and the range of symptoms is expanding (kawasaki and other now recognized results).
Second, and more importantly, children will become infected and bring those infections home to their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, people who ARE at risk.

Sweden's death rate of 6.08 per million will eventually lead to 1.6 million deaths as the disease makes its way through the population. Pretty sure 56 million dead in the US is not the target we want.

 

Anyone who disagrees with you must support Trump.

Impeccable logic.

Yeah, except that never happened in Sweden. So reality trumps your unscientific fear-mongering.

Just another dire prediction based on nothing but pure speculation.

 

Well, you did get one ting right. My logic is impeccable.

 

I was being sarcastic. Your logic is nonexistent.

To simply assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a Trump supporter is just dumb.

To fear-monger over children, who are at virtually zero risk from this virus, is just disingenuous.

To predict 1.6 million deaths in Sweden is just nonsense.

 

I don't think EVERYONE who disagrees with me is a Truminista.

Just those whose reasons for disagreement are stupid and dishonest.

I've clearly pointed out, twice, that the major risk is not to the kids but to their parents, and other older family.

If you're too dishonest to acknowledge that in your responses then you are what you apparently hate being called, a Trump Supporter.

 

Yes you do. Otherwise you wouldn't have called me a "Trumpinista".

By the way, terrible term. Not catchy or clever at all.

So the only people who are capable of being stupid or dishonest are Trump supporters?

And I've clearly pointed out that the real world example of Sweden disproves your hysterical predictions.

I did acknowledge it. I responded by referencing a real world example (Sweden) that proves you wrong.

As for your prediction of 1.6 million deaths in Sweden, it is pure horse-sh*t based on nothing.

Your partisan talking points are totally empty. You have nothing except insults and deflections.

 

Sweden

is not the US.

 

What if Trump rushes/botches the vaccine? Theres no shortage of folks who are now reconsidering 'safe and effective' on the basis that they don't trust Trump to not screw it up. Would you really support mandating their children get injected with the Trump-cine anyway?

 

I'm presuming it has been tested and shown to be safe and effective.

On that count, just like I'm not taking HCQ or giving it to my kids, I will listen to the scientists.

Any other path is just stupid.

In, I believe, it was 1976/77 I was in the Navy when the Swine Flu vaccine was released. The navy ordered everyone to take it and that order filtered down to me. I respectfully refused. I'm not expert in the field but it seemed to me at the time that six months from discovery of a virus to full release of a vaccine was, if not impossible, improbable. I did not believe that full testing had been done and would not be a guinea pig an an experiment. I was placed on report and threatened with courts martial. Then they dropped the matter. Seems the CNO recalled the order because people were getting Guillain-Barré syndrome following the injection.

I will not support rushing a vaccine to market that has not been rigorously tested.

 

Tested on some other poor slobs who are gulled into being guinea pigs.

 

Obviously you haven't the slightest notion of how vaccines are tested.

 

How are vaccines tested?

 

Im sure there'll be some scientists who would be happy to tell you the vaccine is safe and effective to get in an advisory role at the WH, and others who will say anything related to Trump is bad, including the vaccine, on MSNBCNN I bet, whether its true or not. Everything is so politicized now... which scientists are the ones we should trust enough to base injecting our children on?

 

Start here. Many links inside.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html