Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

I took a speed reading class in high school, I read it really quickly. The reason for allowing the officers to order you out of your car has nothing to do with being innocent, until the man stepped out and they saw the bulge, which opened up frisking, he was innocent until proven guilty.

 

He’s a cop, not your daddy. A badge doesn’t give him the power to strip you of your rights.

 

I doubt very much they knew he was black before he stuck his hands out and they saw camo, it was dark, right?

 

It's pretty short. No need for speed reading. But maybe speed reading is why you missed the part I quoted earlier for your. The reason for allowing the officers to issue the order had to do with him being lawfully detained for reasonable suspicion of a crime. There was no such reasonable suspicion for detaining this man.

 

You have the right to close the car door on exist, if they then search it with no probable cause that is one thing, telling black people especially that they don't have to get out is not helping them.

 

Because he may have a gun sitting in his lap and they wanted him out of the vehicle. He had refused their lawful orders and was now resisting arrest. His doors were locked so the police could not open from the outside. So they used non-lethal force on him.

 

It is very common for abusive cops to embellish in their reports. Until they started wearing cameras they could get away just about anything because other cops will never break the "blue code of silence". The cop probably felt "untouchable" as they often do and expected his supervisors to rubber stamp the report with no real investigation.

The same code exists in many fields. Years ago, I knew a paramedic. He lost his job because one of his partners let a black man die. They guy outright said that they don't use the emergency lights when transporting black and brown people thereby delaying them getting to the hospital which often leads to their deaths. It was investigated because the man's family filed a complaint and my friend wasn't wiling to lie about what he witnessed and was told.

Most people can't simply just quit their jobs. They have families and bills and you don't want to be blacklisted in your own community so many just bury their heads and pretend they don't see what's happening to countless people all over the country. It's sick and toxic and wrong. Nobody should ever be put in that situation just to keep their job.

Then, to add insult to injury, bigots chime in and accuse people of just wanting a "big pay day" with no real understanding that most people just want to not be treated like garbage. I saw a meme somewhere on this forum with that guy with the face paint sitting in the senate chambers and the caption was something like "White privilege - it's amazing that he made it this far without being shot" (or something close to that). Rep. Johnson even commented that he wasn't afraid of the rioters but would have been if they had been BLM.

Republican senator says he would’ve been afraid had Capitol rioters been BLM activists
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We are a very long way from where we need to be in race relations. I am sorry that it took this man filing a lawsuit and the recording to have his case honestly investigated but, thankfully, there is one less abusive cop off the streets.

 

The driver has no way of knowing if the officers have reasonable suspicion, and reasonable suspicion is too vast to deny officers in other situations may have it.

I didn't miss what you quoted, I understood it in context and that is where you are failing.

 

It would have been. You don't seem to get it. You did Nazi that coming did you?

 

I'm talking about you. Obviously. Simple English man. Get with the program.

 

If gives him the right order you out of the vehicle if they have a reasonable suspicion.

BTW the first night I have my Z4 with the dealer plates I was pulled over by a police officer, my top was down and I am very white, and he asked for the registration and bill of sale papers the dealer had advised me to keep in the car. I obeyed the officers request, he checked my ID against them ran a warrants check on me and let me go. I did not go running to the new media complaining nor every gave him a reason to use any force on me.

 

They threatened lethal force from the moment they arrived. There was nothing to arrest him for . . . and notice how he was never actually arrested? Can you explain why they lied about him striking them?

If you are defending this behavior, then I'm sorry, but you are defending it for ALL traffic stops. Anyone could have a gun in their lap, so might as well treat everyone this way, right?

 

Any "reasonable suspicion" they had was gone the moment they had him pulled over in a well-lit area. Are we now saying that PREVIOUS reasonable suspicion, that has been shown to no longer be a reasonable suspicion, gives them the right to issue such orders?

 

Looks like you focused too much on "speed reading" and ended up sacrificing reading comprehension. Maybe slow down and try again. There was no longer any reasonable suspicion.

 

(I don't have a Twitter account anymore but watched the TV news report.)

But used non-lethal force. His refusal to get out of the vehicle and follow the lawful orders was reason to use that force. What were they supposed to do just let him go, they were going to run the tag and check his registration. And as I described above I have been stopped and had the registration checked when I had a temp tag, people use fake temp tags. The guy in the car caused himself to be pepper sprayed and forced out of the vehicle. Are you defending resisting arrest and the lawful orders of police officers.

 

No it wasn't and it ramped up when he refused their lawful orders. All he had to do was exit the vehicle.

 

I'm all for lawful orders. I'm not in favor of outright thuggery. The cops knew they had nothing to arrest him for, which would mean "resisting arrest" wouldn't stick. So they made up the lie about him striking them.

 

They ordered him to keep his hands outside the window

 

So why didn't this guy exit the vehicle as asked and he wouldn't have had to be forced out?

 

All they had to do was follow their department's policy, exercise a couple of brain cells, and choose a path other than the unjustified use of force.

 

Any guy they give a ticket to could have a gun sitting in his lap. There was no excuse to not just tell him what he was being stopped for, and they knew it. That's why they tried to get him to keep his mouth shut.

 

And then get out and he said he would not. He refused saying "I have not committed any crime". Sorry if they order you out you get out. Are you saying that if police order you out of your vehicle you are the one who gets to decide whether or not you will or just drive off?

 

Because he feared for his safety if he did exit the vehicle . . . a fear which the policy EXPLICITLY TOLD HIM WAS JUSTIFIED. They TOLD HIM HE SHOULD BE SCARED OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO HIM AFTER HE EXITED THE VEHICLE.

 

It's not a debate.

 

So we can all just drive off now when officers detain us and order us out of our vehicles?