Should we get out of the Middle East?

I suggest that indeed 'Palestinians' WERE defeated but won't admit as much.
Germany and Japan accepted defeat and were able to move on quickly. By
not accepting defeat the Arabs have the worst of both worlds - not winning and
not able to move on.
And this is because these people have internationalized their issues. We have
seen in 1967 and 1973 how America and the USSR were on nuclear alert over
this scrappy bit of land - in size about 1/10 of one percent of the Middle East.
In the future a lot of people could die who don't live in this neck of the woods and
have no idea what the issues are they are dying for.

 

You would have quite a story - the whole world was in upheaval.

 

The "Palestinians" have never surrendered, and so have not been defeated or even prevented from attacking Israel at will.
75 years of warfare is not victory.

 

Good one!

And let the islamofascists overrun an open, liberal, western democracy?
Why would we want that?

 

It's an interesting point - can you be defeated if you never surrendered?
They lost the 1948, 1967 and 1973 conflict, lost a lot of land, were under
'occupation' but wont' admit defeat.

Do you know what the word "apartheid' means Pitbull?
Go to Israel - you will see street signs in Hebrew and Arabic.
Try to worship on the Jewish temple mount and the Arabs will arrest you.
Half of all pharmacies are run by Arabs.
A quarter of all medical staff are Arabic.
Arabs form a voting block in the Israeli parliament
Half a million West Bank and Gaza Palestinians are admitted or visit Israeli hospitals a year.

Arabs share Israel, alongside Jews, Druze, Ethiopians, Christians etc..
That's not apartheid.

 

It obviously is ...

https://waronwant.org/news-analysis/israeli-apartheid-factsheet

 

...not.

South African Judge Richard Goldstone, head of the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, also known as the Goldstone Report, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said that "in Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute." Goldstone noted that Arab citizens of Israel are allowed to vote, have political parties, and hold seats in the Knesset and other positions, including one on the Israeli Supreme Court. Goldstone wrote that the situation in the West Bank was more complex, but that there is no attempt to maintain "an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group", and claimed that the seemingly oppressive measures taken by Israel were taken to protect its own citizens from attacks by Palestinian militants.[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_(crime)#Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict

 

I'll tell you what they're dying for; ISLAM. Palestine is Islam, Jerusalem is Islam, the Aqsa mosque is Islam, any land that Muslims have lived on is Islam.

How can anyone stop the monstrous acts of Israel, when the only alternative is obeisance to Islam? The 'cause' (which is Islam), must be eliminated to stop the 'effect' (which is Israel's killing machine). But how can that be done without trampling on the rights of the Muslim people?

 

An 'Israeli killing machine' ????
Israel is a nuclear power with the best army in the Middle East.
I am sure if Nazi Germany was Israel, or Stalin's capital was
Jerusalem there would be no Gaza or 'West Bank.'
No Zulu impi would put up with Hamas, no Arab would raise a
whisper against a Genghis Khan and the Aztec might even just
eat them.

 

Then of course all of Europe, America and Australia is 'apartheid.' Don't forget
Turkey with Armenians and Kurds, China and its Uyghurs, Taiwan and its original
inhabitants, Japan and its indigenous peoples, the Asians now occupying SE Asia,
the Bantu now ruling over nearly all of Africa, the natives of what is now called
Russia, the Anglo Saxons who call themselves 'English' and the Arabs who now
call the whole Middle East and Palestine their own.

And naturally, this must include the West Bank and Gaza.

It's funny, a 2021 survey of Israeli Arabs was asked if they wish to come under
West Bank control. They resoundingly said no. Nor do they want to go live there.
Many Arabs chose to live in Israel when their Mufti and Arab militias told them to
evacuate their villages - they stayed put and never regretted it.


The Jerusalem Mufti, fighting 'apartheid' by calling upon the Nazis to occupy
Palestine.

 

That may be true, but Israel has no "Arab citizens".

435,000 Jewish Israelis living in the occupied West Bank are allowed to vote in Israeli elections. But the 2.6 million Palestinians from the same region do not have that right.

Despite falling under Israeli rule, they have no right to vote. This is not democracy but rather apartheid (or ethnocracy if apartheid sounds too harsh to you)

 

And that long before the Nakba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Malicious political systems are a curse for one and a blessing for another.
Nazism and Zionism are essentially the same. Both are crude blood-and-soil ideologies. Each is a different root of fascism.

 

Nazis hate Jews.
Arabs love Nazis
Islamism is the closest you get to Nazism in the world today.

Actually, this is the Grand Mufti and he was nearly stuck in Germany
as the allies closed in. Got one of the last planes out of the country.
I think this is the same guy who called upon Arabs to vacate their
homes and ignore Israeli pleas for them to stay. He wanted to show
that sharing the land was unworkable.
Those Arabs who stayed have thrived - those who left are not
coming back until there is a comprehensive settlement that recognizes
the Jews right to share the land of their ancestors. That's not going to
happen, and the Jews know it.

 

Arabs form an ever growing block in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.
I think the main party is called Ra'am and its leader is another Abbas guy
and chairman of the United Arab List.

 

Pro-Israel fanboys often confuse Jews and Zionists, as well as Arabs and Palestinians. This is possibly intentional in order to make talks about the Middle East conflict more difficult.

Islamism is not racist enough to resemble Nazism.

In fact, Muslims reject traditional racism. They divide the world into 2 groups, Muslims and unbelievers. Everyone can become Muslim in a few minutes. But there's no way to become a member of the white master race.

Btw, only Nazis and Zionists understand Jews as a race, in the sense that one is only born as Jew and stays a Jew.

 

Correct. I don't think we have a significant modern day equivalent
to the racism of the Nazis. But unbelievers, apostates and the like
can be treated in a similar manner, ie ISIS and the various forms of
Islam.
We need not worry about 'white master race', that's just Cultural
Marxist Group Think. We need to worry now about Brown Racists
and Black Master Race folk. Asian Master Race is the one looming
on the horizon - just as Premier for Life Xi.

 

I, too, hope for a positive future for Iraq, given the sacrifice of our young people who fought there. I hope everything they did and all of the sacrifices they made will not be in vain.

But of course, Iraq is in the hands of the Iraqis, and if they wish to have a positive future, they must decide to respect one another and take care of each other as Iraqis, setting aside their tribal and religious differences.

Time will tell.

Sadly, I have no such hope for Afghanistan, and that is why we must not sacrifice any more young people to the cause of freedom and western style democracy in Afghanistan. It was a noble goal, but unachievable unless we are prepared to stay there for generations, enforcing our goals at the point of a gun.

That is just the reality, and so it is time to go.

 

I think that the reason I was able to see so much is because I was able to see so much is because I was hitch-hiking and the local residents were eager to show me the archeological ruins near their villages.
I can't over emphasize the kindness and hospitality I enjoyed from the local Muslims even though I was obviously American.

 

Yours is a statement of abject ignorance or outright dishonesty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Legal_and_political_status'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship

They aren't Israeli citizens - why would they have the right to vote?
Millions of illegal aliens live in the US - they don't have a right to vote because -they- aren't citizens

 

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Long ago when I was in the Islamic Mid East things were pretty calm until the " '73 War broke out while I was at Palestinian refugee camp in S. Lebanon.

I first hitch hiked to Istanbul where I helped the driver out of a jam in Bulgaria. The driver happened to be friends with the Chief of Police in Istanbul who arranged for me to have a cheap room in a great, old hotel overlooking the Bosporus straits, a fruit basket every morning and a guided tour by an off-duty Turkish policeman of archeological sites normally off limits.

I left Istanbul after I bought a chunk of Turkish hashish and hitch-hiked to Troy where I spent a few nights sleeping outside. I snacked on (ate) the hashish while I traveled around Turkey by either hitch hiking or once by 3rd Class rail.

The train had a steam powered locomotive made by Krupp in 1911. 3rd Class rail in Turkey means that you're able to bring your gasping chickens on a string, baskets of produce and small animals. There was, of course, no A/C and I didn't know that you're supposed to close your window when going through a tunnel because of the smoke and sparks coming from the locomotive. Thankfully the poor people behind me and my open window didn't scold "that stupid Westerner" too severely and I learned to close my window when everyone else did.

Briefly put, I made it a point to roll out my sleeping bag and spend the night at every archeological site I could find and experienced some of the most generous hospitality from the locals wherever I went.

I agonized over what I should do with my dwindling chunk of hashish before crossing into Syria but ended up reluctantly throwing it away.
And so it went as I hitch-hiked through Syria, Iraq, Lebanon except when I accidentally wandered into Iran with some Bedouin where I got another relatively mild scolding.

It's amazing what you can get away with when you're just a ragged looking, dumb tourist.

Thanks for your time...

 

Loved this. Not sure what a string of gasping chickens is, but I am sure you would
have seen Midnight Express which came out five years later about an American with
hashish in his possession sentenced to time in a Turkish prison.
Haven't seen it myself but heard a lot about it.
Thank you for your letter.

 

By a "string of gasping chickens", I meant that some passengers on the train would tie a string around the necks of their chickens and sometimes the string was too tight causing the chickens to gasp for breath.

I only saw "Midnight Express" after I got back in the states but feel that it exaggerated the cruelty of the Turks.

I feel very lucky to have seen so many archeological sites that are now destroyed or inaccessible.
For example, in October of 1972, the head guard at Stonehenge allowed me to spend the night at Stonehenge all by myself. Now, you can't even get near the structure.

Thanks for your time.

 

No, it can't be a "basket of currencies."

 

Of course it can, and in a way it already is, since 40% of worlds reserve currencies are not USD. The Petro-Dollar agreement is the only reason 60% of worlds reserve currencies are in USD.

 

Wikipedia makes mistakes or sometimes follows a pro-Israeli agenda (denying the Palestinian people).

Then why Jews from the Westbank are allowed to vote? They are also no Israelis.