Repub senators find no evidence of wrongdoing regarding Biden and Ukraine policy

I'm posting this in response to a reply made to Golem's thread titled, "The Impeachment of Hunter Biden." This reply.........."There is no phone call but there is direct evidence that he got a prosecutor fired by withholding defense funds until he was fired. That particular prosecutor was investigating hunter bidens business. No other person tried to investigate them or even picked up where he left off. You don’t need a phone call to put those pieces together."

Republican senators' investigation into Joe Biden and Ukraine has come up empty.

The Senate Homeland Security Committee had been conducting an investigation into the former vice president's dealings with Ukraine, and committee chair Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) admittedly hoped to prove Biden's "unfitness for office." But an interim report of their ongoing investigation released Wednesday doesn't do that.

Republicans have long sought to find some kind of collusion between Biden's vice presidency and his son Hunter Biden's work at the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, seeing as Biden led Ukraine policy during the Obama administration. Attempts to dig up dirt about Biden and Ukraine sparked the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, and after that concluded with no conviction, Republicans have been trying to turn the tables on Biden.

But as Johnson told The New York Times in the days before the report's release, the investigation found no "massive smoking guns" regarding Biden. The report relies largely on a quote from career diplomat George Kent, who said Hunter Biden's work with Burisma made things "awkward" for State Department officials focused on Ukraine. But it doesn't relay any improper influence or wrongdoing by Biden, nor does it confirm Republicans' accusations that Biden tried to oust Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin to protect his son from an investigation.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/9392...nce-wrongdoing-regarding-biden-ukraine-policy

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...raine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

I post this fully understanding even a report by Senate Repubs, finding nothing improper about Biden carrying out US policy with respect to Shokin, has no chance of altering the poster's view on the matter. I find this to be as common among the conservatives on the board as it is monumentally frustrating. The lie about Biden/Shokin has been repeated many times and will no doubt be repeated again despite it being debunked, factually refuted, proven to be erroneous, exposed as a falsehood, beaten to a pulp, cut up with a chainsaw, lit on fire, and thrown in the dumpster. In this sense the lie about Biden/Shokin serves as a metaphor for dozens of other erroneous, factually inaccurate beliefs held by the board's conservatives. Which is why I was compelled to start a separate thread on the subject.

 

Pointless though it might be, thanks anyway. The only real question now is who of them will straight out avoid commenting & who will just deny that this has happened.

 

Who controls the Senate?

 

They employ a variety of methods to avoid both confronting the facts and admitting their belief in the lie told to them by any of the usual suspects in the world of right wing media is in fact a misrepresentation of the truth. How refreshing it would be if, the author of the post will remain nameless, read thru the links I provided and said........." I can no longer deny the irrefutable facts have proven me wrong." I'm not holding my breath.

 

I see we have our first contestant trying to obfuscate the findings of the report. Who controlled the Senate when the investigation was conducted and the report was released?

 

The report proved something didn't happen? I bet you really believe that is possible...lol

 

Oh, wait...this report is three years old?... LMAO

 

While I watch you flail about, unable to refute the report's findings, I wonder if you think I didn't notice you have nothing?

 

Any president has basically a free hand when it comes to foreign policy with some exceptions. With whatever a president is doing overseas, funding must be approved by congress. Even the use of military force in limited ways, tic for tac strikes, advisors, without implicit congressional approval etc. funds for this could come from previously approved funding, the military budget for DOD. Agreements with other countries, Treaties are another exception which must be approved by the senate. Although Nixon with South Vietnam and Obama with Iran choose to bypass the senate, which Nixon agreement with Thieu was totally ignored and Trump pulled out of the Iran agreement. So much for presidential agreements with other countries without senate approval.


As for the impeachment of Biden, I’m a bit surprised it hasn’t happened yet. Once the republicans gained control of the house, I expected impeachment to happen fairly fast. If for no other reason that the democrats impeached Trump twice. Of course, the republicans would come up with an officially sounding reason for the impeachment. I think failure to secure and control our southern border will be one of the officially sounding reasons. Personally, I think impeachment is a total waste of time, energy and money. There’s no chance of success as in removing a president as proven in Bill Clinton’s impeachment and the two Trump impeachments. Partisanship is too high, defending one’s own is also too high even for valid reasons. No way to meet the 2/3rds requirement or to get 67 senators to vote guilty for removal. Today, I’d say impeachment is a way to placate a political party’s base, make them happy, nothing more.


Nixon stood the greatest chance of being found guilty in the senate. But the democrats needed only 9 republican senators to vote guilty, not the 18 democratic senators that would be needed today if Biden was impeached and the trial took place in the senate. Also 60% of all Americans thought Nixon was guilty and deserved removal which included 31% of all Republicans. There’re your threshold numbers for a successful impeachment and removal. At least 60% of all Americans with a third of the opposing party at a minimum, since only 9 GOP senators had to go along with impeachment with Nixon. With garnering 18, probably a higher threshold must be achieved, especially with the party of the president being impeached.

 

The funny thing is that they scream about 'identity politics' while practicing as rigid a form of it as has ever existed. The lies are a fundamental part of that identity so they cling to them.

 

As a democrat, I have to ask for us to be more honest when posting this stuff. The links in the OP are 3 years old.

 

I am surprised he posted this based on a three year old report when there has been so much brought out since then. In after thought, I am not surprised. About all we hear from the left is denial.

 

Anyone who is confused about the timing of the report only has themselves to blame. BTW, you are in no position to criticize anyone for a lack of honesty.

 

Someone else to blame? Did someone force you to use that old report?

 

Congratulations on starting a thread based on an article from three years ago while pretending it's relevant.

 

The investigating committee was led by a, gasp, Republican.
Over and over it's the same old thing, Republicans make expensive accusations for nothing while complaining when Democrats put them in jail. Do you realize that Congress spent more than twice as much on Hillary investigations for nothing than on Mueller's probe that actually netted a profit after fines? OK, the profit was spent paying prisons for a while but T**** put a stop to that expense via pardons.

 

The problem you have here is the data you are sharing to prove your point is 3 years old and doesn't take into account anything discovered past 2020. It would be the equivalent of talking about who is winning in polls, and then using polls from 3 years ago. I believe we can do better than this Lee.

 

Agreed. Whether people agree or disagree some information that has come out since:

1. Many suspicious bank reports detailing payments from corrupt foreign entities to the Bidens... including his grandchildren.

2. Discovery of a couple dozen shell companies used to funnel overseas money to the Bidens.

3. Credible government informant filing intelligence report detailing Biden bribery scheme.

4. Hunter's business partner saying they were selling the Biden "brand" overseas and under oath testimony that Joe Biden was directly introduced to corrupt foreign business partners to show that they had him on speed dial if he was needed.

5. Discovery of Joe Biden email aliases sharing government information with Hunter and the WH refusal to comply with FOIA requests regarding his pseudonyms.

 

The report is three years old...lol.

A lot of information has come forth in the past three years.

 

I love their logic. Let's cite the NY Times from December 2020 saying Trump didn't engage in an insurrection. That's how it works now, right?

 

Schweizer, Cockburn and others have detailed the Bidens activities in Ukraine. Our "17 intelligence agencies" and Trump's staff had to know even more about it.

The RP should not expect a new investigation to put a dent in JRB. No one should expect ordinary Americans to think that RP instigated investigations are more credible than all the DP investigations of Trump.

All of the "Rich Men North of Richmond" are now unbelievable.

 

That would be the democrats doing that. The real info is coming out in the house investigation where they are actually being allowed to investigate unlike the senate mainly what they are investigating are road blocks thrown up by democrats. Because most remain convinced that as terrible as biden is he's still better than anyone else they've got.

 

Anyone who is confused about the timing of the report only has themselves to blame. The subject matter is still relevant since Repubs keep lying about it.

 

Exactly!...lol

I wonder if the OP thought no one would look at the date of the report... LMAO

 

Yet if you can say nothing else Democrats put miscreants behind bars. Republicans just want to badmouth others proof be damned.
The conclusion to be made is Republicans have a propensity for criminal behavior and either the Democrats don't or Republicans are inept. Either way the Republicans need to fix their party. I am grateful to see the court case in Texas brought by Republican politicians against a Republican government agent. Hopefully they won't screw that up.