Obama "I Actually Believe In Redistribution"

Seems a number of the more opinionated people in this thread don't have a clue about what all those fancy terms they use as epithets at Obama actually mean.
for sake of everyone on the same page:

The federal state and local government practice some form collectivism. The armed forces is collectivism. Look around and you'll see all kinds of collectivism that make everyone's lives better. But in american it co-exists pretty comfortably with individualism. It's not something to be afraid of and it America can't get rid of it without destroying the very fabric of the country.

Graduated income taxes are a form of redistribution. For those that think redistribution is a dirty word, are you suggesting that welfare be axed?
Given that the federal government has always engaged in redistribution, would you have the flow of federal funds to each states restricted to only the amount that each state raises in federal taxes? That would bankrupt a lot of states overnight, not to mention severely restrict investment in infrastructure for instance. New Orleans would have had to pay an enormous amount of the cost of their new levee system.
What is there to fear from this type of redistribution. Redistribution does not mean that the rich would be stripped of the wealth and then have it strewn in the streets of the nearest ghetto.

And calling Obama a socialist is not the epithet some would beleive. After all there are number important socialist programs in the united states that have been in successful existence for generations. Programs that helped provide opportunity to the needy, care for the sick, cheap food for the table etc. etc. Republicans have this emotional visceral reaction to these terms without really understanding their true meaning nor recognizing that they are surrounded by numerous examples of these things on a daily basis.

 

Have you supported Bush once....twice? Have you voted for those that have absolutely NO intention of getting rid of the Bush Tax cuts? Nowhere have I heard even one Republican voice the displeasure in the Bush tax cuts that you articulate. The Republicans in congress would rather dig in their heals, refuse to raise the debt ceiling and take a credit downgrade than accept any increase in taxes.

So, if you and others have this opinion, you have a funny way of showing it. You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well that you have a far greater chance of Obama getting rid of those tax cuts than Mitt. In fact, Mitt wants to double down and INCREASE the tax breaks to the wealthy even more...on top of the Bush tax cuts!!

Actions speak louder than words and your actions support the polar opposite of you self serving words.

 

So please tell us sid, how else are you going to bring spending under control with government? They take in more, they spend more. Somebody with balls has got to say no more, the train is headed for the cliff.

 

Sadly, this is true.

And regrettably, so is this.

Of course, this acknowledgement does nothing to justify either...

 

Someone else just claimed that he was a nazi. Can he be both as well as a liberal?

 

Only one person of the three on the ballot has a plan to do anything during their term. Want to guess which two it isn't?

 

Obama is promising to do the same things he has done so far, more debt, fewer jobs, more pandering to unions, and other things that are utter failures. Only the stupid will vote for Obama again.

 

Yes, I voted for "W" Bush -- twice! By the time of his re-election bid, I already knew Iraq was a failure (and I had never wanted us to invade it in the first place), the manipulation of Medicare, and, a callous, worse manipulation of the economy that had already begun to invite even more control by the Federal Reserve System. But what was the alternative? John Kerry (heave!) ? We true Conservatives choked on so many of the things "W" Bush and the RINO's were putting into effect, but exactly what did you offer any of us but more of the same -- and WORSE?

One of the reasons you on the Left and we on the Right are never likely to be able to work together again is because you simply cannot make the distinction between RINO-Republicans and true Conservatives. We Conservatives typically despise RINO's (because they are spineless, mealy-mouthed conformists to liberal stupidities and distractions), but, election after election, we are given no real, VIABLE choice in who we can vote for... and since the Daddy Bush presidency, it's been either the RINO, or a liberal Democrat.

Clinton worked out fairly well, in truth, but only after he was "house-broken" (double-entendre completely intended) by Newt Gingrich and the Contract-With-America movement in 1994. Clinton learned to work WITH Republicans instead of simply stepping over them, and the Constitution. But, since then, we've had Idiot Bush and now, Idiot Obama.

If you guys on the Left could show all of us on the Right SOMETHING besides a phony "recovery", based on SOMETHING besides wretched welfare extravaganzas and pathetically inept leadership that simply turns the whole economy of the United States over to the Federal Reserve crime syndicate and says, "Here, Bernanke... do whatever you like with this mess. I don't understand it, and I can't deal with it....", then maybe we would feel like working with you. If your hyperliberal Obama regime would show us on the Right something besides your cavalier autocratic dismissal of us, the Constitution, and the very pillars upon which this country was built, we might actually want to work with you. As it is, we see YOU as the worst enemy this country has -- worse even than the stupid, vicious Islamo-nazis that are setting the whole Moslem world on fire right now.

Keep it up! You hate the America that has always been the America we loved? Fine -- you'll never get anything but tooth-set resistance from us on the Right. Your only hope is to go on perverting Republicans by encouraging them to turn into RINO's....

 

Only one person of the three on the ballot has a plan to do anything during their term. Want to guess which two it isn't?

 

First Romney spits on 47% of America, now you call the majority stupid. BWAH HA HA HA HA! That's rich!

 

Like China and Russia, Sweden has been moving more towards private investment the last few decades.

The man admits he wants and believes in wealth redistribution, why are you arguing otherwise?

 

We brought in 40% more tax revenues after the tax rate cuts, capital gains revenues were almost 4 times what they were after the Democrats raised them to the high of 28%. So why would you want to go back to the higher rates and lower revenues?

 

Why do you want to get rid of them and then collect less tax revenue?

 

Pick one. A socialist is not the same as a communist. A communist is not the same as a Marxist. People get educated before using such words

 

Can you please give us a link or two to supporting information? I'm NOT being antagonistic or sarcastic! IF solid, concrete documentation supports your claim, then why isn't Romney screaming it from the rooftops?! We on the Right get our guts kicked out of our mouths daily by the socialist muckrakers who endlessly spin lies about how all we want to do is give the rich all the tax breaks while screwing the Middle Class. AND, unfortunately, the way the U. S. Tax Code is written, it is FULL of write-offs, loopholes, shelters, exceptions, exclusions, etc. that insure that most wealthy people pay comparatively little or nothing!

Isn't it interesting that NOBODY -- not Romney, and not President Messiah ever says anything, or takes a powerful stand, on completely re-writing the Tax Code so that all of this crap is done away with permanently and immediately?!

 

Again, Obama said he believes in it "to a point" where everybody has a shot at success.

Again, Romney got the biggest redistribution of wealth in history with the Shrub tax cuts for millionaires. It added $3 trillion to the national debt for future generations to pay off. If you're not a millionaire, bend over and crack a smile.

 

Which one doesnt entail an all powerful all controlling centralized Nanny Statist Government?

....yeah they arent the same at all.....
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More leftist denials. Progressive leftist Obama, his Veep, and administration are command economy collectivists. Treasonously so.

"I believe in redistribution" ~ Obama

"you didn't build that" ~ Obama

"fundamentally transform America" ~ Obama

"when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody" ~ Obama

"In America we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.” ~ Obama

"The best part [of my dream] is that we can collectively decide on our fate, that things like technological change, things like mass media, things like the market are all subject to our control. That we can make decisions for better or for worse and continue to move forward and progress." ~ Obama

"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people" ~ Joe Biden

In America, no less....a Constitutional Republic.

 

Why do you Replublidorks think it is OK to redistribute peoples money to fight wars they don't believe in or to enforce stupid laws like DOMA? You idiots are just as much for redistribution as anyone else.

 

This is crazy. I don't see why anyone would really want it. Individuals making decisions for better or for worse limits the damage the worse decisions can do. And worse decisions are made, by individuals and by groups, all the time. Why spread the impact of those decisions across all of society? Why create an environment that obscures the consequences of good and bad decisions? Why eliminate the social laboratory whereby we can learn from the mistakes of others? This is the logical outworking of a commitment to egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is not a virtue, it's a pipe dream that breeds only ignorance, contempt and envy. And, in the end, will result in the destruction of all prosperity. The notion that there is anything good about the pursuit of equality for its own sake needs to be exposed for the vacuous and poison fallacy that it is, and eradicated.

 

http://cbo.gov/

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=161

I think Ryan wants to do exactly that and one reason Romney brought him on board.

 

Thank you very much for these links; I'll study them closely. And, I do wish that the Republican campaign would let us see a lot more and hear a lot more from Paul Ryan! But, for some reason, they have him mostly out in the backwoods and small town "flyover" country. They ought to be running TV ads with him in them at least as prominently as Romney. But, maybe they're saving him for the triumphant run up to the election, after he kicks Biden's stupid ass up to the ceiling during the VP debate.

 

where do you get your numbers from?

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_history

http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin.html

 

if that could ever been done, I admit to some mild amusement to think of all those tax lawyers and accountants who'd be out of jobs.

 

I linked to the them

cbo.gov historical tables.

2001 1,991,082
2002 1,853,136
2003 1,782,314
2004 1,880,114
2005 2,153,611
2006 2,406,869
2007 2,567,985

2003 the tax rate cuts went fully into effect. 2007 the highest revenues ever collected in one year. And I was incorrect, 44% increase.\

And go read for yourself the history of capital gains rates and resulting revenues at the link provided.