Leader of Greece's Golden Dawn party Nikos Michaloiakos arrested

15% of the vote is not a mandate to govern bub.

 

No one said it was. But to get 18 seats in the house, esp for a very new party, can only happen by way of people casting votes.

Unless you are saying that the best idea is an anti democratic one that paid no mind to the ballot box?

 

The Jews are very revengeful towards Russia so they robbed it not once but twice. This doesn't mean they didn't have cause, but it went both ways. The Jews came out of their enclaves in Poland into Russia, hoping for a better life, and tried to impose western ideals from the enlightenment on the Russians. These Jews were no more Russian than the European Jews in Israel were Arabs so a clash was bound to occur.

The Jews still carry with them the horror stories of pogroms, etc., and these things did occur under Tsar Alexander III, but they occurred because Alexander's father was killed by a Jewish suicide bomber, and also because he saved his family after a bomb attack by holding up the roof of the train they were riding in. Five hundred politicians and dignitaries were being killed each year by the terrorists, so it was no picnic for the Russians.

Anyway you shouldn't be blaming a banking cabal since the robberies were committed by individuals for their own pockets. You can blame Israel for giving Jews refuge, even when they commit crimes in other nations. As for what Yeltsin said in the Washington Times, it stands today for Merkel's Germany as well with its loans to Greece.

 

I have to make a correction here. I said that twenty to forty thousand Russians died because of the revolution when I meant twenty to forty million Russians died. Big difference!

 

Interesting you should mention the Tsar. I wonder how many Americans are taught in history, that in 1863 President Abraham Lincoln discovered the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II (1855-1881), has been having problems with the Rothschilds’ , as he had been refusing their continual attempts to set up a central bank in Russia. The Tsar then gave President Lincoln some unexpected help.

The Tsar issues ordered that if either England or France actively intervene in the American Civil War, and help the South, Russia would consider such action a declaration of war, and take the side of President Lincoln. To show that he wasn't messing about, he sends part of his Pacific Fleet to port in San Francisco and another part to port in New York.

Anyway, it was just a point of interest.

What has become clear to me in the past 24hours is that if the big criminal organisations, aka corporations, establishment etc, if they decide that a party is gaining too much popular appeal, they simply ban it and arrest it's leaders in manner akin to E Germany.

The fools who are celebrating over this are like turkey's casting a yes vote for Christmas. They cannot get past their ego centrism about what THEY 'like', and see it as a wider matter of freedom to choose who you want to vote for.

And if the GD are a 'criminal organisation, what does that make the US Fed Gov? What does it make the Likud Party? What did it make Tony Blair and his Labour cabinet?

 

Well, no surprises as to has been behind this E German like night time raid...

On Monday, September 23, World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder demanded that the Golden Dawn be destroyed to save democracy, saying:


"It is high time Greek politicians honor their pledge and adopt effective legislation that will put an end to completely unacceptable harassment of immigrants, ethnic minorities, immigrants and political opponents by the extremist Golden Dawn party."

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...ermining_democracy_in_greece_wjc_urges_athens


On Saturday, September 28, key party members were arrested and imprisoned on nonsensical charges that the democratically elected party, the third biggest party in Greece, polling at 15%, is a ‘criminal organization.’


Check out the t shirt and garb of the guy on the right?

 

Israeli companies, with the encouragement and assistance of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, are taking advantage of the economic crisis in Greece to find some bargains while helping to advance the privatization efforts of the Greek government.

As a means of coping with the ongoing crisis, the Greek government has decided to privatize dozens of government companies, including the national lottery, the old Athens airport, the national oil company, refineries, the ports of Piraeus and Thessaloníki, local water companies, large industrial plants and more.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23588/Default.aspx


No wonder they don't want any dissent or obstacles.

Well, all I can say is that the next time anyone talks to you about the democratic process, tell them it died in the land of it's birth.

And those that cheer this on - be careful what you are wishing for.

 

Jack, thank heaven the Jewish companies are buying them. Greece, Israel and Cyprus are allied militarily and are dependent on one another against Turkey's threats in the Eastern Mediterranean.
To give you an idea of what the U.S. is doing to Greece, Russia was willing to pay over twice as much as any other country for a large gas company in Greece and the U.S. wouldn't allow it for fear of Russia's monopoly on Europe's gas energy. So instead Greece is forced to sell it to Azerbajian for less than half the price, when Azerbajian happens to be allied militarily with Turkey.

What makes it more problematic is that Greece needs Russia's investments, not only because of the economic crisis, but also because it will hinder Turkey from any 'Ottoman' designs it might have in the Aegean.

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This might be persuasive if only "war communism" did not survive the war. Citizens had much less freedom after communists consolidated their power and didn't have to make nice to win over an undecided people. Soviets in 1937, the height of the communist mass murders, had far less freedom than Russians of 1917. The more secure the communists in their power, the less willing they became to share with the people. So war is no excuse. And I'd be the last to suggest Trotsky was not expert at killing people.

Viva Las Vegas.
Poder para el pueblo, no el Partido Comunista

 

I'm not sure how democracy ties into this at all. Golden Dawn's party leadership were actively recruiting members of the Greek armed forces and special forces to train paramilitary street wings based in cells, the job of these cells was to beat up and or harass party opposition and immigrants just like the Sturmabteilung did in the Weimar Republic. These cells have direct lines of communication to the party leadership. This is why the party leadership was arrested and when they were arrested the Greek police found illegal unregistered weapons and laundered money. These cells actively describe their own operation as an insurgent unit. This is not about democracy, we know this because the MPs arrested are keeping their seats until and unless they're convicted of a crime, this is about a reactionary party using it's influence in the government to create paramilitary units with the intent of destabilizing the democratic state via intimidation and violence and the state reacting to an internal threat.

 

For those expressing their frustration for the arrests those are some front pages taken from their magazine







*Stop the nonsense about civil war, who will fight who ?

 

Wow.

A 'magazine'.

Thank goodness our lovely liberal gov's don't 'do' magazines.

Thank goodness our lovely liberal gov's draw the line at genocides, mass fraud, and passing legislation to protect child rapists.

Now if they were doing a magazine .... that would be a step too far.

 

Yes, a magazine celebrating and extolling the joys of the Nazi regime. Have you got your subscription yet; I'm sure you can get an English version to keep in the toilet.

 

All you have done is look at some images of an alleged magazine.

This seems to please you.

Meantime, as you smugly sit there, you make no mention of the Gov's in this country passing legislation to protect child rapists.

A magazine is more important to you.

Telling.

 

Exposing neo-Nazi scum always pleases me, Jack. In the same way that defending them pleases you.
By the way, who was it complained about irrelevant references in a thread recently? Oh yes, that would be you. If you want to start a thread about child abuse feel free to do so.

 

I did.

In OUR country. About OUR country.

What is more, and if you are half the man you think you are, this should bother you FAR more than what choices Greeks want to make, about what parties they wish to vote for.

Don't you see?

While your attention is being put on to things like this, THIS is happening in OUR country.

What about mass arrests for them, and what about calling all of Parliament a 'criminal organisation'?

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=320878

 

Of course it wasn't a mandate to govern, but it was a mandate to allow some representation. To ban a political party without conclusive evidence that the party endorsed criminal activity is undemocratic. Let me illustrate it this way: There may be a few criminals amongst the few hundred supporters of the Constitution Party here in the U.S

Would you ban the Constitution Party? Of course not.

Let me illiterate: I'm not the biggest(or a fan at all) of Golden Dawn and I've repeated that their radical, violent stances is a threat to the growing Nationalist movement. As hundreds of millions of Human Beings are starting to recognize the need for their individual value and representation. But what I am a fan of and what I hope Greek does even in these times of tensions, is to protect the legal process.

 

Over the past 48hours, I have seen something occur that I have never seen before in all of Europe, since the days of the old East German secret police, and their night time raids and arrests of political opponents, on trumped up charges.

Yes - I refer to what has been MADE the hysteria du jour of all Western corporate media ... The Golden Dawn.

This is not a matter of what you 'like'. This is not even a matter of support for the GD, which you may or may not have.

None of those things are important.

Here is what is important.

The Golden Dawn chose the democratic path. It became a part of the process. One does not tend to do this if they wish to simply be a rogue organisation on the fringe of society.

As part of that democratic process, people can either vote for them or not.

That is why it is called choice and democracy.

You simply cannot support choice and democracy on one hand, then on the other hand, want to remove choice and bulldoze democracy when it suits.

The Golden Dawn, like it or not, won enough votes to give them 18 seats at the Greek Parliment. Around about 10% of the vote. Not insignificant.

You may not like that 10% of voters inclined toward them, but then I do not like that voters elected a Tory Gov in, or a Tony Blair. And if the Golden Dawn are to be deemed a 'criminal organisation'(on some vague grounds), then what does that make the actual Gov's of Greece, all of whom let their own people down, with corruption and pandering to the EUSSR?

What would it make those that sit in Parliment here, or in DC, or in Tel Aviv?

For I might suggest that if the Golden Dawn are to be deemed a 'criminal organisation', that the above named be deemed 'international crime syndicates', and their immediate arrest should follow.

Yes?

After all, to very best of my knowledge, whatever else the Jewish media wish to say about Golden Dawn, I cannot recall them sending drones to murder people, I cannot recall them using chemical weapons on people, and I cannot ever recall them stealing anyone's land, and forcing them into an open air concentration camp.

Thus it is surely only reasonable that if the Golden Dawn are deemed a 'criminal organisation', and with such haste, then the others I cited would be as well. More deserving if anything.

But you see, this has nothing to do with 'fair'. Let alone 'democracy'.

This is about sending out a clear message that if you try to break free of Kosher control, even by the ballot box, your card will be marked.

A great deal(as in massive overkill) was made of the stabbing of a rapper in Greece. All that we know is that he was stabbed following a football match. All that we know is that the police charged ONE man with involuntary manslaughter.

Beyond that, we don't know anything more. There has been no trial yet. No conviction. Nothing.

The crooked Greek authorities(under orders as you will see in a moment), they have simply used this stabbing as a clear excuse to put into place plans they must have had lined up before the stabbing took place.

They are trying to imply that this stabbing was ordered. By the leader of the Golden Dawn. There has been no evidence to support this, indeed, having read past the hyperbole and into the facts, it would strike me that there is a total absence of evidence.

It is quite possible that a man empathetic to the GD did indeed stab this rapper. Time will tell. If that turns out to be the case, then this is something that must be determined by way of due process.

But even if so, does that then mean that every crime done by a supporter of anything = the actions of that one person are representative of offical position of the entire entity?

Hardly. Put that into practice and there would be nothing left.

Among the crimes that Golden Dawn stand often accused of are ...

FEEDING GREEKS.

CLOTHING GREEKS.

DEFENDING ELDERLY GREEKS (when police admit they cannot cope).

Terrible.

It would be much better if they were like the Tory Party here who...

Throw the disabled out of their homes.

Demonise those who are not rich toffs.

Wanted to lie us into another war of aggression.

This is not to say that there are not some violent and unfortunate elements within Golden Dawn, but when ALL mainstream parties clean up their own filth act, perhaps then I would respect their hand wringing.

Remember, it doesn't matter if you don't even LIKE the GD AT ALL.

It is the principle that is the issue here. However, let's afford this some more context...

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On Monday, September 23, World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder demanded that the Golden Dawn be destroyed to save democracy, saying:

"It is high time Greek politicians honor their pledge and adopt effective legislation that will put an end to completely unacceptable harassment of immigrants, ethnic minorities, immigrants and political opponents by the extremist Golden Dawn party."

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...ermining_democracy_in_greece_wjc_urges_athens

And then...

On Saturday, September 28, key party members were arrested and imprisoned on charges that the democratically elected party, the third biggest party in Greece, polling at 15%, is a ‘criminal organisation.’

Hilarious.

Here we have the World Jewish Congress President calling for the destruction of a democratically elected party in Greece, while in Israel....(well, you get the picture).

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You left out assassinating its political opponents.

 

When did that occur?

 

2 weeks ago.

 

Do you have slightly more detail?

 

The question that should possibly be being asked is not why they are being arrested as they have indeed been acting in a criminal manner but why now. Interestingly an interviewee on the BBC a couple of days ago said that the reason probably was that GD had become more of a liability to the Government than a help.

GD was apparently helpful to the Government in that it was keeping support for Syriza in check. However after the murder of the rapper Support for GD took a big slump. Alongside this Demos strongly condemned the state of democracy in Greece http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/26/greece-democracy-backslide-coup-threat and of course the EU has been hassling them for some time concerning racist activities there.

The question is not whether they should have been arrested but whether the current establishment is serious of it's intent to rid Greece of these Nazi's who have apparently infiltrated the police, army and judiciary. The BBC interviewee mentioned earlier said that it would be important to see just how thoroughly work is done to get rid of GD root and branch.

Open Democracy speaks of this

http://www.opendemocracy.net/opense...-dawn-arrests-victory-for-democracy-in-greece

 

They murdered a political activist,

[video=youtube;_AKwLfuE5L8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwLfuE5L8[/video]

 

Who did?