Leader of Greece's Golden Dawn party Nikos Michaloiakos arrested

Human Nature is basically COLLECTIVE CO-OPERATIVE AND SOCIAL.,the advent of this individualistic rubbish is a capitalist thing!

Now on the Question of Failed thinking ,Obama to that!

 

Aren't these the same people that ruined Greece in the first place? I would question their abilities if I were a Greek citizen. Golden Dawn isn't the answer but to think the status quo is the way to go is wrong in my opinion. Greece needs new direction and new leadership if it is to recover from this situation. The "grownups" have proven themselves incapable of managing the nation through real world results of their policies. They and no one else are to blame for the state Greece is now in because they have the power of government.

 

If that was the case then why was communism so corrupted by humans seeking power, status and toilet paper?
Why was the collective so unproductive?
Why was Soviet society so plagued with rampant alcholism, bigotry and a laundry list of social ills as long as any you could muster for the capitalists?

 

The Collective of the USSR, based on the Nationalisation of Basic Manufacturing and banking with in the Most Backward Empire in Europe.

took that broken down peasant based feudal society into being the Other Super Power.concidering the embargo on world trade concerning the hostile Imperialist nations particularly .And lets not forget ,the destruction wrought by the Nazi invasion ,with 30 million dead.

Oh and the beheading of the revolution by Stalin ,1934-36, and the Gulags for political opponents.Stalinism and the betrayal of the World Socialist revolution.

Not a bad first effort at a Workers republic!

 

If only Trotsky had succeeded Lenin, the revolution would not have been so betrayed.

Moi
Zapatista


Meanwhile it seems the Greeks are doing what Erdogan of Turkey has been doing.
Jailing the opposition, even if they are members of parliment.
It must be a regional thing.

Moi aussi

 

The what if version of history, was opposed by Trotsky ,who saw the fate of the USSR,and his own from the basis of breaking the isolation of the USSR, and reforming the 3rd International.

Lenin in his final testament called for the Removal of Stalin from the Leading positions in the Party,and for the Promotion of Trotsky!

With the death of Lenin and the defeats being inflicted on the Working Class Internationally, Germany 1918 and 23,China and Britain 1926 ,and the betrayals by Stalinism ,Rise of Hitler 1933 ,Spainish Civil War 1936-8.The correlation of class forces ion the International stage was and is Decisive.

Trotsky's exile also played a role ,but undoubtedly the peak of the Reaction ,came in the form of Trotsky's assassination in 1940.The Low point of Counter-Revolution!

 

It's true that they did things out in the open as well, but even then they did so with numbers favoring them and they were quick to use the media to their own advantage or even when they didn't have media control of the press, they would fanatically establish their own truth of their radical events inside of the party thought speak so that it eventually became truth.

But the events were mostly and in fact with their media control never recognized. In fact Hitler referred to the SS at times as a political organization in of itself that he couldn't control. Such is the risk of paramilitaries and that's why ours is the national guard. Can you imagine if it had remained "state militias"? That's the essence of what Hitler was dealing with. Despite what some may want to believe(to fit their version of Hitler being the devil himself), he wasn't a "god" over German politics. He was a monarch, like every other monarch who needed stabilized order.

Not to say that he was oblivious, but that there were times when even he didn't have control. The war is 70+ years old, we can now have objective analysis over what occurred in Germany. The thought-speak of our K-12 teachers doesn't count, as benevolent as they were.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalist This cheap political attack is one that I won't take too much time addressing. If you want your naivety and simplification of the political thesis fixed, I suggest you read ^.^

Of course it's possible, I'm just sad that I actually have to since I put it in plain english the first time . I'll try to simplify it even further just for you, dear friend .

Firstly, if you read that link I gave you above it should already give you the answer. Simply put, as an American my first and foremost thoughts are on the well-being of Americans. A Russian's first thoughts are on the prosperity of the Russians, same with every other Nationalist of a politic-body.

You could say that Nationalism as a political movement shouldn't even be a question but a pre-requisite of a politician inside the Nation-State. Why would you want a head of state representing you in the U.N that doesn't feel as though your national views need to be heard? When the President signs the U.N arms treaty without consulting Congress, he's violating this basic principle.

The main problem with Nationalism has been, that sometimes Nationalists do not see other Nationalities as equal to the opportunity as they themselves. Which is where Hitler mostly differed. From day one, he long acknowledged the necessity, the history and even the power of the British Empire. Contrary to that moron Winston Churchill, the Nazis had no ambition whatsoever of overthrowing Britain. Ironically, it was Churchill who failed to see the positive of another Nation State, pursuing the old policy of containment of any power relative to Britain, whether it be ally or not.

We Americans should be thankful for Lend-lease, because it did to Britain what the terrorists want to do to us in the modern age: It bankrupted Britain, it turned the tables. Had the war went on without Lend-lease and had the Allies been victorious, Britain would have next turned her attention to the continent, reengaging in the war of 1812.

Hitler also expressed grave disappointment that he had to choose between the Japanese and the Chinese, as he saw both as great rising powers in Asia. This issue is to this day modern, and I express the same disappointment. Asia could be unified under a Japanese/Chinese leadership. That opportunity is there for Asia and for the world.

And he respected neutrality to a point, insofar as it didn't jeopardize German positioning in the war. Or in his words "As long as other Powers respect this neutrality, we shall respect it likewise." Which we can only say is a reasonable position in wartime thought process. Would we not express outrage if our military generals told us: "We could've avoided American Defeat, if we only took this land."

"Well, why didn't you?"

"They were neutral..."

"Are you kidding me? Then move out after the war's over!"

In my personal viewpoint as a Nationalist, I respect all other powers(in no different then I myself wish for the same respect). I believe in this National understanding, the world can meet common ground.

Centralizing the world through Internationalism has always served only a very few "specific" interests. The Banking/Military-Industrial Complex threatens all of mankind and always will unless we overthrow it. Hitler was merely the grandest statesman to do so, we can judge on his overall history and his "crimes" relative to his equally guilty peers in the INTL. Scale.

But his effort and what he tried to achieve, remains unparalleled in modern world history. It doesn't have to be that way though. We can have a similarly successful revolution against our common enemies. Who would try to divide us by nationality, class and rank. Who would try to tell us that the common instinct to represent our common interests is "evil" and representing "theirs" is supposed to be good.

 

Hitler was sincere? He was totally untrusworthy, instantly reneging on the German/Soviet non-aggression pact as soon as he saw an opportunity to invade and continue his quest for lebensraum. He was also militarily inept as his ultimate defeat by the Russians showed. The untermenschen whom he so despised threw him out of Russia. A further example of his 'sincerity' was his order that every Polish person, man, woman or child, was fair game for extermination "without pity or mercy". His thugs went about their work with relish. This is the world of Nazism you admire so much. http://www.polishgreatness.com/forgottenholocaust.html
Britain had plenty of precedent for mistrusting Hitler and wisely did so. Britain under Nazi rule is too awful a prospect to even contemplate. We saw how his thugs treated those in the countries he occupied in Europe.

You're welcome. Genius.

 

On Nationalism as you asked earlier. Most countries already have civic or inclusive nationality. Of course each country is first of all interested in the well being and safety of it's own. I think this is compromised by the global economy where politicians more have to answer to finance than their people, but nonetheless all countries first and foremost are interested in securing the best they can for their own people.

While if we were in a real war, that is my country was in danger then of course all my energy would go into protecting it and my people. At other times though I don't care less for people wherever they live. We are all human. Creating good relations with other countries is not born of altruism but mutual benefit. For instance that Western Europe has not been at war since the EEC was born is strongly arguably because they have mutual interest.


Ethnic Nationalism however is a completely different thing. It is not interested in the well being of all the people of the Nation but tries to create a different form of 'nationality built on genetics. Generally this is done by looks. This form of Nationalism is by it's very nature an attack on the inclusiveness of a nation creating a 'them and us'. This type of Nationalism is by it's very nature violent.

As I said before all Politicians have as their first interest the well being of their own state. This is obvious. Anyone not would be up to criminal activity.

They would not be re-elected, provided of course that the electorate were doing their job and keeping themselves a bit knowledgeable and that foolproof measures were built into the State system e.g freedom of information, a sound written constitution and criminal consequences for corruption, including strong rules concerning gifts to politicians and political parties. Not all countries are up to the right level here and people can work to change this.

The main problem of Ethnic Nationalism is that it is not inclusive of all it's people and so is inherently violent.

It has to be fair brought more wealth to people as a whole than has been known in history. I think it is completely out of control now and that it offered a particular style of living - to have rather than to be if you will. My daughter and I were discussing whether there would be a major protest against this system if we go on to create a new housing bubble and collapse. She thought no, people wouldn't know what do to. That is the way is which groups like Golden Dawn can manage to gain supporters. They do what Marx said ideologies did. They take a little bit of the reality and turn it upside down in that way creating something which is not the truth at all.

 

Try to post something on topic and coherent.

I know you can do it.

 

I heard one of the left ***** on camera last night.

Without blinking, the left **** says 'They want to feed Greeks'. As if Greeks feeding Greeks is a bad thing.

Shows where the priorities of left ****'s lie.

 

Not really sure where you got the idea I support Capitalism.

I do not.

It is my ideological enemy, along with communist thugs.

 

How did Poland fare under it's Commie rapists?

[video=youtube;4hxwDiXRg3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=4hxwDiXRg3g[/video]

 

As badly as under the Nazis, thanks to Yalta and their betrayal by Churchill and Roosevelt. Thanks for asking.

 

Lol.

Were if that were true, the entire British Gov, this one and the previous one, would be 'up for criminal activity'.

And yet ... nothing.

I wonder how that is... *rubs chin*

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Communists occupied Poland for half a century.

How can it be 'as bad as'?

Talk sense.

 

Excuse me But the word ideology denotes a thought out view, whereas yours are well all over the place.

So what other Ideology have you hatched up that Isn't Capitalist or communist?

Seriously ,I wish to know!
Don't be scared I will not hurt you.

 

I know you won't.

It's not about "what other Ideology I hatched up".

The fact of the matter is that communism is a disease, and it always has been a disease. Perhaps you would like me to list all the evils, since all of time, that this disease afflicted?

There would certainly be too many to list here, that is for sure. Communism goes against nature. Communism hates the people that it occupies.

Communism is Jewish. You can deny that until you are RED in the face, but Communism is Jewish.

Communism is never about what is good for the nation's people. Communism was always about removing what is good for a nation's people, and centralising the power to a despotic cabal that routinely butchered it's own people. Communism and Capitalism are not opposites(albeit they may appear to be).

Capitalism and plutocracy destroys the soul of a nation. It rewards greed, lying, cheats, and criminality. Capitalism produces a mentally retarded society that have no attention span. Capitalism is a disease.

Capitalism is also Jewish, in nature and in essence. The very central hub of it is built on Jewish usury.

While you cannot have a one size fits all system for each and every country(that is what capitalism and communists want), I believe in the right for each nation to control it's own borders, it's own destiny, and it's own laws. I believe in the right for people to be Governed by those of their choosing, and not those that either Communists or Capitalists approve of. I believe in transparency and forthrightness, concepts that are alien to Capitalism and Communism.

 

Ah yes, 'Jewry'. I wondered how long it would be until you brought that up. Just can't help yourself, can you?

 

Oh what is your problem now.

First you dismissed the democratic rights of Greeks in Greeks, even though you are not Greek or in Greece.

Then you go off on some emotional tangent about Hitler that was incoherent.

And now you want to control words.

And violence and lawlessness is okay with you.

What sort of country would be have if you formed a party?

*Shivers*

 

Let's skip the Soviet propaganda, and let me tell you a few things about imperialist Russia. For one it was the fastest growing economy in the world under Tsar Nicholas II. Unlike the USSR, imperialist Russia had a free press which the Bolshevik propaganda machine used readily to spread lies.

One of the lies, other than the slander against the Tsar's wife and family, was that Nicholas intended to break up the holdings of the nobility and give the land to the peasants. This was not true, the Tsar was a highly devout man and had plans of breaking up his own estates and spreading them out among the people. These plans were already in the making when the war broke out.

It's one of the strange occurances of history that the same peace loving Tsar, who was the first one to conceive of the idea of an international court at the Hague; the forerunner of the U.N., would turn out to be the cause of WWI. Nicholas II, wanted to honor his treaty and support Serbia when it was attacked by Austria, so he sent his troops to the front not knowing his cousin 'Willy' would give Germany's support to Austria.

When Tsar Nicholas II found out from the German ambassador, it was too late to call back his troops. It was really a bluff on the part of the ambassador, and when he realized what he did he literally broke down in tears.

As for the revolution, anywhere from twenty to forty thousand Russians died, either from fighting, incarnation in the Gulag, or from hunger because of the collectivization. This number depends on whether one wants to include the imposed famine by the Bolsheviks of seven to eleven million in the Ukraine. Add to this the sixty million deaths when the USSR exported their 'brilliant' system to China, not to mention the rise of the opposing nationalism in Germany, and we have a full view of Lenin's accomplishments.

 

Isn't it strange that every single Marxist country, without exception, has had its "revolution" "hijacked" by some bad guy. The concentration camps and mass graves and terrorized populace are only an accident, a diversion, next time will be different. Might there be a wee voice in the dead of night whispering that the abuses are intrinsic to Marxism, which is why they occur everywhere? An ideology placing total power in the government, which places it in the hands of a few people, invites tyranny. The stuff about the people, social justice, marching toward the yawning heights, posters of brawny workers looking forward, etc., is just for the suckers. The reality is brutal totalitarian power. The mission of such power is to maintain itself, not to serve the people. Look at what Trotsky actually tried to accomplish - working people living in barracks, wearing uniforms, aggressive expansion of communist influence around the world - and you see that he would have been more oppressive while also provoking wars.

 

Some interesting and informative points there, Jenny.

Let's also add this to the mix.

It was the early 90's, 1992 actually,when privatisation began in earnest in Russia. As a result of this, through corruption, the vast wealth of Russia ends up in the hands of the so-called, “Seven Oligarchs,” all of them new billionaires who backed Boris Yeltsin with money and media support.

The seven are, Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Friedman, Alexander Smolensky, and Pyotr Aven, all Jewish, and one Russian, Vladimir Potanin. Potanin would be used as the others’ public liaison to the government.



What aid Russia receives from the West, goes straight to the Jewish banking cabal also. This is revealed when the Washington Times reports that Russian President, Boris Yeltsin, who was upset that most of the incoming foreign aid was being siphoned off, stated it was going,


“Straight back into the coffers of Western Banks in debt service.”

 

Trotsky was charged with winning the war against the Whites who had international troops from , Hungary, Japan, among other nations. And support from those that did not occupy Russian lands.
Even Abraham Lincoln revoked basic Constitutional rights pursuing "his" Civil War.
Oh, and Trotsky did win that war. He was very effectual.

If you want other examples of betrayal of a social revolution,
look at the traitor Carranza of the Mexican revolution.
Yes to your thesis that someone usually if not always hijacks a social revolution.

Viva Zapata
Viva la tierra redistribucion


Moi
Zapatista

 

Now what you have come up with is the classical Fascist outlook ,almost word for word from the mouth of Joseph Gobbles.

You as they, rail against International Jewish Capital ,equate Communism ,they used the word Bolshevic,with Jews.

Now, you can study the actual history and change your ,Fascist outlook or Not .But have no illusion you would be member probably a cadre,of the NAZI Party Germany 1933-45.

I on the other hand would be that Red Army soldier in the T-34 tank that would pulverise your marrow into the dust.Funny how little things become quite big and Violent.

To clarify you ,the association of Marxism and the Jewish Faith and people is Critical of Religion and sectarian Movements,including Jewish.

EG;Israel is a Pseudo Nation and an abomination to humanity ,as it continues a genocide on the Palestinian population,we are for its abolition!

 

I have near never read such incoherent rubbish in my life ,and I have read some.Tsar Nicolas Russia a Booming economy and FREE PRESS in Russia 1916,under the secret police regime .ARE YOU OK?!

Feudal Regimes like the TSAR of all Russia's ,were not democratic bastions of any kind ,they were GODS them Tsars ,could have anyone killed anytime with no reason .Them TSARS were what are called ABSOLUTE MONARCHS ,and Hostile to Democracy and Capitalism actually.

Please note the method everyone ,NO LINKS TO NOTHING ,meaningless drivel!