US Admits to Using Radioactive Munitions in Syria

Hey Sobo, how can you call your own people shitty? The pale blue on this map are all Germans. We have 50 million of you people you know?

 

A mobile phone emits radiation too.
In the form of radio waves. It is way more radioactive than DU and indeed there was a very large health concern with their usage.

Is it really significant?
That is a question of opinion. For myself the answer is no.
I am happy to keep a phone in my pocket 24/7.

The benefit outweighs the danger.
Opinions differ.

So for myself the radioactivity of DU is insignificant. No danger, and the benefit of it on the battlefield is life saving rather than life taking since it is used by my allies against my enemies and not vice versa.

Lead, which DU replaces, is also considered a toxin. The use of lead in bullets is also of environmental concern to those who basically find any excuse to object to killing.

It is not the case that if you stopped using DU, people who objected to the Iraq war will stop objecting to it.
They will just find another medium for complaint.

 

Does Putin know that?

 

Depleted Uranium weaponry >>>>>

+ "... an extraordinary situation of congenital birth defects in both nature and quantity."

+ "... a significant rise of these health consequences in the period following the war ... "

+ " ... the effects of uranium and heavy metals associated with munitions used in the 2003 Iraq War and occupation ....... strongly suggest that environmental contamination resulting from combat during the Iraq War may be playing a significant role in the observed rate of birth defects."

- " The magnitude of the complications and damage related to the use of such radioactive and toxic weapons on the environment and the human population ....... concealment, denial and misleading information released by the Pentagon ... "

- " In regards to the U.S. responsibility for the depleted uranium, the Iraqi government has been put under pressure by the U.S. government not to publish too much information about it ... "

- "The Department of Defense takes the position that you can eat it for breakfast and it poses no threat at all "

 

Depleted uranium is know to be standard ammo for the A10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/pgu-14.htm

 

Ha ha you quote american bullshit scources? How naive are you?

 

Beer is also a word meaning beer (I understand dutch by the way)

 

The US National Institute of Health is not a bullshit source.

Your inability to refute their evidence is noted.

 

I noticed you whining about DU, but nothing about assad's chlorine barrel bombs...or are those acceptable?

If your response is going to be "there is no evidence assad used them", stop right there so I can put you on ignore and save us both the trouble.

 

Piss poor and false argument trying to compare the electro magnetic radiation to nuclear radiation.

 

I would say a lot of the Obama supporters will hate this story.

I personally am not at all worried.

To be called Depleted Uranium, it has to be void of it's dangerous properties. This is why they call it depleted.

Look up Lead. It is also depleted uranium. A good many fish are caught with lead as sinkers.

Depleted ammo is made in the USA. We do not see stories of our own workers having health problems traced to the metal. Our military uses it at ranges. We hear of no casualties at ranges due to the uranium used.

 

Study depleted uranium. It is depleted. Guess what is is depleted from having?

 

Yes the 30 millimeter cannons on the A10 Warthog is what makes it a tank killer . A10 and DU shells were designed to be able to kill Russia/ Soviet tanks. An A10 firing it's minincannons at an armored or hardened target orva tank is a thing of beauty.

 

I know damn well what depleted uranium is. You do not understand that the "radiation" from a telephone and a uranium is not the same type of radiation. I was trying to save you from making a fool of yourself.

You go study electromagnetic radiation and stop making a fool out of yourself.

Depleted uranium has 40 % less radioactivity than raw uranium. That is what makes DU ammunition so reletively safe.

Radio waves are radiation - electro magnetic radiation.

 

Holy cow, you are telling me what I know. I knew it before you took off on me.
I never said electronic magnetic radiation is nuclear radiation.
You can save yourself from being a fool by first finding out what I did say and why.

I have many times studied depleted uranium. So what does depleted mean to you? To the US Government, it means it is save from human handling.

You did not state the radiation level of normal uranium. It is very low pal.

When you lecture me on both radio waves and nuclear energy, I laugh. I assure you my physics courses including those in college brought me up to date on both. Then I spent 2 years in high school studying radio.

To brush up on nuclear, I put some hours of study to ensure when I spoke of DE, I was being accurate.

Who told you radio waves are nuclear energy? Wasn't me.

 

Do you realize you are singing to the choir?

 

Pretty sure the largest ethnic group in America is still German.
I just checked, they still are # 1.

During the 1700's during colonial times the English were the largest ethnic group in America and the Germans being a close second.

By the early 1800's the Germans replaced the English as being the largest ethnic group and by the late 1800's the English got bumpped to number three spot by the Irish.

Looking at the map I assume the Scot-Irish are considered to be English.

 

I took off on you because you slammed me in post 112 telling me to study depleted radiation. I also responded to you because you insinuated that the electromagnetic radiation from a telephone is comparable to uranium radiation.

You need to read up on depleted uranium. It us NOT depleted of all radiation is it reduced by 40 % of the radiation that raw uranium has.

I was arguing with you notvagainst you.

Again depleted uranium had only 40% of the radiation that raw uranium has. It is very safe to use as ammunition but they still have a radiation containing metal coating on the shells.

I am glad that you studied radio. I worked on USAF airborne search radar which of course propagated RF in the radar frequency range but also had radioactive Electronic tubes that were enhanced with radioactive cesium or thorium. Since you studied radio you must understand that radioactive cesium enhances electron flow.

Read what I write before you do off telling me to go study something.
Also read what I write since I was not arguing against DU I just do not agree with you as to the level of radioactivity that DU has.

It is depleted but not totally depleted of radioactivity. Yet reletively safe.

 

Depleted Uranium shells would not qualify as radioactive munitions, though when they are fired the metal can atomize, become airborne and be very dangerous to the gunner

 

Ok I was pointing things out to those who are opposed to using DU.
Yyounand I just do not agree the the level of radioactivity left in DU.

 

You are using uranium as your base and uranium is a very low level hazard.

It was not me comparing nuclear radiation to radio waves or what we call electromagnetic radiation. Radiation does not stand for danger.

I informed you that over the course of the era from Bill Clinton forward, I have many times discussed DE with dozens or hundreds of posters. Many think it is dangerous. Were it dangerous, it would not be carried by war planes nor tanks since the metal would be a hazard to the crew and it is not such a hazard, By the way, aside from my study of radio theory and practice, I am a pilot and radio is included in the pilots course.

You took it the wrong way when I said study DE. I see you have. By the way, when i owned the machine shop. we made radar wave guides for one of our customers.

 

If you believe the level is low, we do agree.

 

Both are tested for public safety at the same site in the UK.

Radiation is radiation.

The energy source of the radioactivity is not as important as the damage it does to your body when it passes through you.
Nuclear, solar or electromagnetic, a microwave can still burn you.



From what I had Googled, DU, U 238, is 0.72% the radioactivity of Uranium (U235).
While military grade DU is only 0.3% the radioactivity of Uranium.
Wikipedia agree's.

These are very low levels of radiation we are discussing.
Reality check.
Approx 1/1600th of that emitted by your mobile phone.

So while you mobile phones batteries may need to be recharged where DU does not, it is vastly more radioactive. A thousandfold more deadly.

 

Isn't the alleged danger from DU weapons not the low-level radiation of the U238, but the toxicity of the teratogenic heavy metal dust that results? I say 'alleged' because having read both sides of this debate about ten or twelve years ago, when we had been using DU anti-tank munitions in Iraq, it seemed to me that there was some cause for concern, but not nearly as much as the anti-DU people were claiming. (The question is not, is it bad to ingest, via aerosols or through food, a significant amount of DU, especially for children? Yes, unquestionably. But the issue is, how much such DU actually gets in the environment as the result of it use in combat?)

However, for those interested in this subject, here is a paper supporting the anti-DU side: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242351/

And here is a paper from the World Health Organization which takes a more sanguine view: https://web.archive.org/web/20120815092349/http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/

Unfortunately, this is an issue in which the objective science tends to be subordinated to one's political outlook.

 

Amazing that the US admitted to anything.