Putin - Russia Will Begin Partial Mobilization Immediately

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  1. Jeannette

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    Vladimir Putin spoke to the Russian nation after the declaration that the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics will be holding referendums from Sept.23 to Sept. 27 to unite with Russia. If Ukraine wanted to keep its nation intact, then they should have complied with the Minsk II agreement, but instead they tried to kill and ethnically cleanse half of Ukraine of its inhabitants if they didn't succumb to a cultural suicide by denying their language, heritage and even their Church affiliation.

    The 8 year genocide of the people in the Donbass and Lugansk regions were ignored by the West while they covered it up with lies and propaganda in the media and turned the victims into the perpetrators, and the perpetrators into the victims.

    Here are some excerpts from Putin's speech.

    “Some Western elites will use every effort to preserve their dominance. That is why they try to block and suppress any sovereign centers of development. This way they can continue to brutally force their will on other nations and peoples, to impose their pseudo-values."

    “The Western goal is to weaken, disunite and ultimately destroy our nation. They are saying directly that they managed to break up the Soviet Union in 1991, and now it is time for Russia itself to be split into many regions that would be at each other’s throats. They want to push our country into insignificance and to loot its natural wealth."

    “Stopping those who vie for world dominance and threaten to dismember and enslave our homeland” has always been part of Russia’s national tradition, and the Ukraine crisis is no different to what our nation has faced in the past."


    "For decades [the West] has intentionally fostered hatred towards Russia, first and foremost in Ukraine, which they envisioned as a foothold against Russia. They turned the Ukrainian people into cannon fodder and pushed them to a war against our country. The ongoing conflict started in 2014, when an armed coup in Kiev toppled Ukraine’s elected government."

    "They want a total negation of our political, economic, cultural and any other kind of sovereignty, a total pillaging of our nation.”

    "Some senior officials in NATO states have even suggested that using tactical nuclear weapons against Russian troops would be justified, according to Putin. The president stressed that Moscow would not hesitate to retaliate to such an attack with its own nuclear weapons."

    "He warned that Russia will use any means at its disposal to defend itself and ensure its territorial integrity, up to and including the deployment of its nuclear arsenal, if attacked with weapons of mass destruction. Putin stressed that he was “not bluffing.”


    https://www.rt.com/russia/563248-putin-partition-russia-ussr/
    https://www.rt.com/russia/563209-putin-donbass-mobilization-ukraine/
     
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    People who haven't had any military training in years are being rounded up to be used as fodder.

    This isn't going to help Poot Daddy one bit.
     
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    It will not change the outcome but it will raise the costs for both Russia and Ukraine. Even if the Russians some how conquers all of Ukraine then traditional counter insurgency doctrine says Russia will need 2 million troops to effectively occupy all of Ukraine. Russia will not be able to sustain that indefinitely. It will be like Afghastan which the USSR already lost in.

    Further more just putting in meat shields is unlikely to help them all that much. Using former poorly trained conscripts who ended their conscription period up to a decade ago does not a stormtrooper make especially when they are now pushing 40 with a bad back. They will not have advanced M.O.S. training and the few that do will be out of practice by years, up to a decade. Further more most will not want to serve and if forced will resent being forced to be there. Lastly, Russia cannot give basic equipment to their existing force yet they are supposed to provide basic equipment to 300,000 new forced conscripts? It will not happen and, no, giving nontrained tank crews an obsolete 1964 T-64 tank, which has been siting in a field in Siberia for 40 years without any maintenance. It does put warm bodies in units but they will only be useful as very marginal defensive units. Offensive capability will be near nonexistent. It will be like lambs to the slaughter.
     
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    Putin wants to dominate Ukraine and we in the west oppose this, so he accuses us of trying to "preserve our dominance." What a tool.
     
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    Your ignorance is showing. Maybe you should start reading more - that is unless you're reading the latest fairy tales from the MSM.

    According to Defense Minister Shoigu, Russia will call up 300,000 men which is a little more than 1% of its full military potential.


    Putin said that the move is sensible since Russia is fighting “the entire Western military machine" in Ukraine and signed an order for a partial military mobilization of its military reservists and those who have completed national service. They will be provided with additional training, along with all the benefits due to people involved in active duty.

    Then it wasn't Nuland, Obama and company that had a coup and overthrew the elected President in Ukraine, it was Russia. Give it up Durandal.

    I have heard many officials in the West saying they wanted to break up Russia and steal its wealth, but I have yet to hear any Russian say they wanted to break up the US or EU. Have you?
     
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    They are pulling people who were in the miltary 10 years ago and have had no training since.

    Some of us know people in Russia.
     
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    There was NO genocide in the Donbas until the Russia inspired traitors started committing genocide in 2012 followed by Russian so called “volunteers” started committing genocide.
     
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    Russia has been building up its armed forces from the time Clinton bombed Belgrade on false premises, and they've always had massive war games and exercises. Are you saying they had those exercises without men?
     
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    Pro Russian posters here must be under the command and control of Putin and the Kremlin otherwise they would not be quoting that monster and genocidal maniac Putin.
     
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    I know of one person who has not had anything to do with the military in 10 years, no training or anything. he got a conscription order already.

    These aren't trained people that are being ordered to go to war.

    Trust me, this is not going over well with Russians.
     
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    Putin just officially expanded the war. The good countries of the world NATO and friends need to send more and more deadly weapons to the good guys of Eastern Europe aka Ukrainians.
     
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    Putin keeps trying to frame it as a war against NATO to preserve Russian sovereignty. That is what he wants his domestic audience to believe.

    It's a shame that NATO can't humor him by sending troops into Ukraine. Then he and his orcs would see just what a real war with NATO would look like.
     
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    Soon Russia will be at war with Putin.

    We don't need to give Putin and the Russian people a common enemy right now.
     
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    Speaking of Putin’s “mobilization” of military veterans that would be like Reagan calling up us Vietnam Veterans to invade Canada after he self declared Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia states of the US. We would have said “up yours Bonzo”.
     
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    Yikes.

    It's pretty bad when you are recruiting ****ing PRISONERS.

    Video evidence so don't bother with trying to shrug this off as "MSM" propoganda.
     
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    Many if not most of his “ people” will believe him just like those Orange Jesus’s believe disciples believe that OJ won the 2020 election.
     
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    Step by step into the downfall of ruZZia.
    One might almost think that Comrade Pooteen is a Western agent.
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    The UN needs to secure the two nuclear plants at risk, and let NATO supply sufficient M270's (HIMARS big brother), C-RAM and Patriot batteries to keep them safe. This, in addition to what you said...
     
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    Pro American posters here must be under the command and control of Biden and the Neocons otherwise they would not be quoting that monster and genocidal maniac Biden.
     
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    I'm rubber, you're glue, everything you say bounces off me and stick to you.

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    Putska Hulera must be a fan of the movie The Dirty Dozen. How many of those Putin’s Patrioti are pedophiles ,child killers, cross dressers, and or cannibals?
     
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    If he was conscripted before it was announced, then maybe it was for another reason.

    Anyway, I know that the West has been pushing Russia for a full conscription so that its industries would slow down, but Moscow refuses to succumb to the provocations. The men who are being called are only a little more than 1% of Russia's full military potential.

    Up until now, the fighting has been done by the armies of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics with Russia providing logistics and air power. Basically, the same as was done in Syria, since men are always more dedicated when they're fighting for their own homes and lands. In addition, there was the Chechyan volunteers who are well trained in urban fighting. Kadyrov said they're going back into Ukraine now to help free Karkov and Odessa.

    It would go over a lot worse if Putin stood by and didn't do anything about the killings and maiming of Russian civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk - including children. Besides, he knows that the West wants a protracted war to destroy and grab Russia's wealth, so why not break up Ukraine before Zalensky gets a chance to kill off the rest of his Ukrainian conscripts? Someone will be needed to farm the lands when Soros and the multi national corporations are kicked out.
     
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    Just don't call them nazi's!
     
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    All the idiot had to do was offer a safe path for Russian civilians to relocate back to Russia and then have a general meeting with the UN regarding a possible global intervention. IF it was that bad.

    But then we know this was about a land and resource grab and none of the bullshit you THINK it's about.

    Putin really is a dummy. He thought this was going to be swift and easy. What a colosal mistake!
     
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    They are sending people who have office jobs conscription letters.

    People who served in the military in the past, but haven't had any type of training since they got out of the military, are getting conscription letters. Many of these people have been out of the military for 10+ years. Many of them are not in any physical condition to be going to war, much less trained military personnel in any meaningful sense.

    If these people represent any percentage of Russia's military capacity, Russia is doomed.
     
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