60 Minutes On Benghazi: "Yes, They Were Left To Die and You Were Lied To"

Both of these obvious facts are being ignored by the right here.

There is nothing here that we didn't already know.

Al Quada makes threats like the ones discussed here regularly. That's the real purpose of terrorism. It isn't to inflict damage. It's to make you opponant live in fear of what you might do.

 

They have been caught crying wolf so much that they are no longer credible about anything.
The only motivation of the right seems to be to attack Obama. They are not interested in the truth or in the issues. They just want to stick it to Obama.
They shot their wad trying to scare the bejeezus out of whites for four years with their interminable race-baiting rhetoric and their outright delusions (remember the birthers?) and they failed.
Since November 2012, they have gone completely off the deep end and their rhetoric and accusations are growing even more hysterical and vicious.
As a rule of thumb, you can discount any accusation made by the right since they are not dealing with reality.
It's amazing how hard they keep trying to double down on their stupidity and dishonesty while expecting the voters to take them seriously.

 

I prefer to think that the opportunity presented itself, and the US, after sitting back for a while while NATO took the lead, stepped in.

The winners in the oil market there are the French, British and the Italians.

 

LMAO...If God had to read the dishonest and immoral rants of the right-wingers who love to spout hatemongering rhetoric and outright lies, he would kill himself.

 

Except for the fact that most Progressive Socialists don't believe in God.

 

Since you don't know jack (*)(*)(*)(*) about what others believe, you are just projecting.

 

Then if that's the case, you can easily explain the Progressive attacks on military clergy and the other attacks on Freedom of religion, rather than freedom from religion?

 

I'm sorry, but I can't explain your delusions.

 

Not necessarily.

While the examples are few in the US system, there are many examples of the "media honeymoon" crashing and burning.

There comes a point in the hate/love game of media/politician where even the most ardent admirers have to bend, admit the tide is coming in and they're armed with nothing but a rake.

It happened here last May, where the Liberal Party was trailing at 20+ points approval rating, more than 25 points behind the leader of the socialist NDP. They had that lead for two and a half years and it faded in a five week election campaign. The NDP leader blew it. He whined about attack adds, that the Liberals weren't being fair and ultimately reversed himself on a major pipeline project which hadn't even been proposed.

Until the campaign he had, IMO, exhibited all of those traits, only with his love affair with the media, they were ignored. When they became evident, they could simply NOT be ignored any more.

Ultimately, the media game is about numbers. In US TV, more is spent on ratings than unemployment insurance. A 1% drop, or worse a trend, is bad, very bad for business.

It may not happen, but ask anyone who was around in the days of Watergate. Here was the Washington Post and the New York Times going after the powerful Nixon administration over a two bit burglary; no one was listening.

Then, things got more and more concrete, the Chicago Tribune joined the fray, then CBS.

Nixon resigned about a year or so later.

It can happen. Will it? It will depend on one of two things: that enough evidence is raised on one scandal to change the tide, unlikely. Or two, enough crap will finally stick to him and the fans will start calling the game the way its happening. Pretty much what happened to Bush after he invaded Iraq.

 

You are right, they will deny and attack rather than watch the video. This was stated at the beginning of the story which I watched Sunday night. The state department was told there were al Qaeda flags flying over government buildings as soon as they arrived in Benghazi. They were told ahead of time about the reports from al Qaeda on the 3 planned attacks and they did nothing.

Thanks to the poster for posting this thread. And also thanks to CBS for letting Lara Logan finally air this piece. She has never let go of investigating this tragedy.. The media on Monday & Tuesday will have nothing to do with it.

 

That's because I strongly suspect they are covering for Obama. I suspect even Fox is covering for Obama to an extent. They seem to refuse to go deeper, and ask the pointed questions I have been. There's got to be a reason no one has interviewed any of these survivors. After all that has been said in the last year, by pundits, by political leaders, etc., the survivor's stories would be just too juicy to be able to resist. But somehow, in over a year, only this Brit's story leaked out.

Now a top secret mission with serious national security implications? Yeah I get that. But come on. We are waaaay beyond that. The entire foreign policy strategy and situation with Libya is top secret right now. Does anyone know our current strat, or have any idea what is happening in that country? I've seen very few stories covering any figures or groups or situations in Libya since Benghazi. I do see online economic sites reporting Libya's plummeting oil exports since Benghazi. I see foreign sources like Al Jazeera reporting a couple of stories on the Libyan Petroleum Facilities Guard, that seems to have come into existence days after Benghazi. And now, from the 60 mins report, I hear of an AQ, online, strategy of attacks in Benghazi, for months prior. Benghazi was last on the list, they made good on all their announcements. I hear from witnesses on the ground that the black AQ flag was flying over several Libyan govt buildings for months prior to Benghazi. Yeah something happened. And the media appears completely disinterested in finding out what.

 

My questions are clearly not partisan. I seek accountability and information. You do realize that you don't know what is going on in Libya since Benghazi right? I'm asking my college classmates. I'm asking family and friends. I'm asking on political forums and Facebook. I'm asking random strangers at restaurants, coffee shops, and gas stations. Left or right, no one appears to know much at all about events in Libya since Benghazi. Maybe you can be the first person to enlighten me on what exactly the foreign policy situation is and has been the last year. The world fell for this fake Benghazi scam so hard and fast, that you guys don't even realize that the administration and the media are keeping the ENTIRE Libyan foreign policy situation secret! Maybe someone will come along here and describe it for me, and bring me back on track if I am off.

 

You claim it's a delusion, I claim its a fact as follows:


Obama Administration Rejects Religious Freedom in Military ...
www.persecution.org/2013/06/14/obama-administration-rejects...
ICC Note: The Obama administration has recently voiced its "strong opposition" towards a proposed amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that …

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Obama’s War on Religion in the Ranks - Breitbart

www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/30/obamas-war-on-religion...

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If Army chaplain Emil Kapaun served in Afghanistan today rather than Korea six decades ago, President Obama would probably give the Catholic priest discharge papers instead of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

 

You're being misled and lied to, Rahl. I'm sorry for you.

I DO remember hearing, seeing it in the news.

 

They knew. Watch the video. [/quote]

right. Like Bush knew that Binnie was going to attack the US and did nothing?

What a crock. Intel chatter that something was going to go down on 9/11? does it take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the anniversary is significant to Islamists and that they may want to "commerate 9/11" with their own little bombfest?
Now, all the gov't had to do was figure out where on this planet an attack would take place. They always figure it out at the last second on tv and in the movies so why the hell can't they do it in real life?

Not even remotely close to a scandal. There was absolutely no "pay-off" for lying since only a pinhead would think that the murder of an ambassador would not be scrutinized and that the perps would be hunted down.

the initial announcements were neither morally nor legally wrong. The outrage was because an ambassador was murdered and the right conveniently channeled that outrage against the administration instead of the actual perpetrators.

Unfortunately such blatant emotional manipulation of the conservative base has become routine. Apparently they like being angry, especially at everyone else because they are dastardly evil liberals and socialists and commies.

Pathetic really.

and worse, they are listening right now.

 

nope. no weapons found

 

And yet again, someone shows up to attack the idea that Benghazi is being questioned. And yet again, not one of my dozens of legitimate, simple questions in this thread are answered. Can't someone stop by and answer at least one of my questions on Benghazi? Right or left, Dem, Repub, Libertarian, Communist, AQ sympathizer? Or are we going to be comfortable with flying blind in regard to Libya, with no media coverage, or govt announced policy?

 

That's correct, but it's hardly relevant.

Oil trades on a global market, and the price is a global price, with only regional variations depending on demand for certain types of oil.

Right now, US industry is benefitting from unusually low natural gas prices due to fracking. But the oil industry is rushing to build export terminals. Once that happens, the price in the US will rise to a global market rate. No one is going to give away gas in the US if they can make more money by exporting it.

 

You don't get it, nobody pays any attention to what the right says (except loyal cult members) because it's all proved to be mostly BS for decades now.
So when there is a glimmer of truth in something, you guys bury it with so much crazy BS that you immunize the targets of your venom.

You guys actually came up with one thing that would have ruined the careers of Bill and Hillary Clinton, but you put it on a list with 999 total fabrications, and no one gets that far, because you talk crazy.
You really expect people to take you seriously after you claimed the president was not an American citizen?
After you claimed Bill and Hillary Clinton ran a major cocaine smuggling operation, and had murdered 38 people.
There's a penalty you pay for telling lies, no one believes you.....

 

I don't know what right-wingers you are talking about, but I am clearly not one. I've yet to see anyone taking the angles I'm taking with this Benghazi thing. I don't see anyone asking the questions I am asking. But have patience, you won't have to believe me. There is a third party involved here: AQ. I have no doubt, that eventually, they will show Americans the truth, regardless of what I say or do, or what the media, Obama, Hillary, the left, or the right says or does.

 

Intellectually I know that your assessment is correct and even I can see hints here and there of the media in general finally trying to put some distance between themselves and the man that they struggled mightily to make into a demi-god. But emotionally I still expect tomorrow for the media in general to return to buffing his little knob again as if nothing had been happening to his credibility since he got re-elected last year. Once bitten twice wary? Yeah, and after about the five hundredth time one gets bitten out of the blue when one should have (by all logic) received hugs and kisses instead . . . one gets beyond wary. But still, I know that you are correct about this.

 

No matter what you say it sounds like "The Clintons operated the largest cocaine smuggling ring in the country, murdering hundreds in the process, AQ sleeper cells planted false birth announcements in the Honolulu papers as the chosen one was born in Kenya, destined to lead Islam to victory over the West, Aliens from the planet Nunu have taken over the Democratic Party, and plan to inject all right thinking Americans with a fatal virus as a part of ObamaCare, Ding Cuckoo, Ding Cuckoo....." because it's coming from the crazy party.
Seriously, you guys ran Sarah Palin for Vice President, why would anyone think you had a valid point?

It's going to take a lot more than a 60 minutes story to change that brand image, not after you just shut down the government, and continue to spout nonsense about health insurance.

Why do you think no one pays any attention to what the right says anymore?
It's all preaching to the choir, and the choir answering back, but not even Mitt Romney, a central casting president with sterling business credentials could beat Obama, after you proclaimed Obama the worst president in history, and you guys believed it, too.
Keep telling yourself it would have been different, "IF a Real Conservative ran", but Romney was a Real Conservative, until the votes got counted, same with McCain, and who is this "Real Conservative"? Michele Bachman? Sarah Palin? Newt Gingrich?
You really think that someone who couldn't beat Romney in an election where only Republicans could vote, would do better than Romney in the general election?

The reason Benghazi isn't getting any traction is because it's coming from people who have lied about nearly everything for a couple of decades now.
remember the little boy who cried wolf?

 

Yeah but I'm not that guy lol. I'm no party. I've never voted, and I'm in my 30's. I'm asking you to ignore all the partisanship, and just answer my questions for what they are, honest inquiries from a guy chillin in his apt who doesn't have many people in his life to talk politics with. Or at least tell me why 1 of my dozens of questions is not worth answering. For example, what's wrong with the question: What is the current US relationship with the Libyan president, or whoever happens to run that govt? Just a general run-down. Because I am clueless and can only speculate until some answers start showing up.

 

They will never answer you, they can't handle a non-partisan point - they have to make it partisan because they are partisan hacks..After the overthrow of Gaddafi - CNN and all media have stopped all coverage of Libya, when before they were there 24/7, just like Egypt. They covered it reluctantly & briefly after the Benghazi attack. From the witnesses that spoke on 60 minutes - after Gaddafi was overthrown, there are al Qaeda flags flying on all the government buildings. At least we do know that. What does that say? The overthrow was disastrous, just like Egypt.

 

It would be nice to get all the questions answered.

What is area 51 really for? Was there a second gunman? what did nixon actually say in the missing 22 minutes? was hoover really a transvestite homosexual? did cheney really have is arm shoved up bushes arse (okay thats a cheapshot)?

The questions go on and on. The truth will eventually come out. And when it does, if all the unsubstantiated accusations of the "conservatives" are found to be completely wrong, I guess it will just be chalked up to a pretty consistent record of ginning up scandals that weren't. If it turns out that they are actually correct and there was a massive coverup of whatever (something far more substantial than the ridiculous "cause lie" that wasn't) then it'll probably be too late for heads to roll and it will be a rare "i told you so" from conservatives.