60 Minutes On Benghazi: "Yes, They Were Left To Die and You Were Lied To"

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  1. goober

    goober New Member

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    My credibility?

    The president got re-elected, Hillary Clinton polls as the most respected politician in America, who's credibility is lacking?
    Who is it that no one believes?
     
  2. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Look out that plane window over the Persian Gulf and tell me that clusterfudge doesnt need policing. It does. And we are about to find out what happens when it's not policed.
     
  3. Ethereal

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    Not by us, it doesn't.

    Then start your own mercenary group with private membership and financing and go to the middle east and police them to your heart's content. Just don't ask me to pay for it or sanction it.

    We are?
     
  4. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Dear left,

    Do not feel you need to lie every time one of your rulers scapegoats an American to win an election. Don't feel like you have to approve of every multi trillion dollar spending plan, or give out hundreds of billions to the super rich just because they gave Obama money. I know the unions pay you big taxpayer money you force people to give them, but many children you pretend to care about are doomed in those failing schools. Maybe in 3 years you can get past your ruler worship and look at the pros and cons of your policies, mostly the cons), and one day when I ask "after trillions spent has the left turned around one poor neighborhood?" You will have something to say and won't have to dodge like you are going to do now.
     
  5. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That stuff usually results in letting a shart. :roflol:

    But I do love it.
     
  6. CaptainAngryPants

    CaptainAngryPants New Member

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    During the Senate Inquiry GOP Senators were often answered with "we can discuss that in closed session". I wonder if any of the right wing conspiracy theorists are curious about what they discussed?
     
  7. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Woods and Dougherty were killed at the annex. It was a coordinated attack with artillery on both locations.

    They shouldn't have had to fight by themselves for 12 hours.

    Shame that Obama lied about it to win an election, even worse that the left doesnt care as long as he won the election.
     
  8. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did he go on his own or was he sent there?

    What kind of people will not help when they see their comrades in trouble?

    Why wasn't help sent? Were those there ordered not to speak?
     
  9. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the processes that get oil into the world's economies are not automatic. I'd like the world to give some appreciation to the US military for putting itself in harm's way for decades now, in order to ensure a smooth oil flow. I'd like to know who will be volunteering to work on oil facilities and tankers over there when the place is in chaos.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But that was mostly oil going to Europe, not the US. The US gets little to no oil from Libya.
     
  11. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    The hearings must continue and the truth must be found out. This cover-up must not stand for the good of the republic.
     
  12. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It beginning to look like NATO attacked Libya because the Chinese were making big inroads in Lybia. Looks to me that Europe thought they would be shut out, as before the attack on Libya most of the oil was going to Europe. It wasn't our problem.

    uestion “what next?”

    The glittering prize is Libya’s 1.6 million barrels per day output of high quality crude, which accounted for about 2 percent of global oil output drawn from Africa's largest oil reserves, whose exports have been stymied since the NATO-led campaign began six months ago. Projecting into the future, analysts believe that has reserves to sustain its previous level of production for 80 years.

    Select the reports you are interested in:

    Who Will be the Big Winners in the Coming LNG Bonanza



    Who will eventually control this asset, with oil prices currently at roughly $84 a barrel, generating an income of more than $12.6 million per day?

    Italy’s ENI?

    France’s Total?

    Britain’s BP?

    U.S. companies?

    Or, will China add Libyan future production to its string of acquisitions, as it is already China’s eleventh largest source of imports?

    The crystal ball is murky indeed, but when the uprising against Gadhaffi began six months ago, according to the Chinese media, about 36,000 Chinese were in Libya working on 50 projects.

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Libyas-Post-Gadhaffi-Future-Who-gets-the-Oil.html
     
  13. GlobalCitizen

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    Alright, let's just see what happens to the Persian Gulf and the oil market when the US leaves policing the ME to AQ controlled govts and/or Islamic theocracies. It will be a nice lil experiment, that those who decry US imperialism want.

    What is the mainstream theory for the US presence there since WWII? Maybe if someone can answer that question in a way that makes sense, then I will think otherwise of the purpose of the US presence in the ME.
     
  14. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    We are everywhere policing every continent and it is time the euros step up to the plate and start spending some bucks and making some deployments. What say you gloalcitizen? Shouldn't they at least police themselves and North Africa?
     
  15. GlobalCitizen

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    I don't know about who will eventually control Libya's oil, but I have a good idea of who controls it now. These guys ---> Petroleum-Facilities-Guard-300713.png

    The Petroleum Facilities Guard (PFG), which is a militia force of about 18,000 personnel, who have closed most of Libya's oil facilities, and have contributed to the drop in Libya's oil exports from about 2M barrels a day a year ago to about 200k barrels a day now. The PFG facebook page here https://www.facebook.com/PFGuard.en was created Sep 30, 2012, 19 days after Benghazi. Also, a google search of "Petroleum Facilities Guard" yields 1.2M results. However, if you limit the search to prior to Sep 11, 2012, the night of the attack on Benghazi, 4-5 results.

    What this means, and its connection to Benghazi, I do not know. But I am utterly stunned that my fellow American and European citizens seem uninterested.

    Yeah, I haven't been just rambling on my concerns for oil. Why are my fellow citizens not concerned over a product that they all so obviously need for survival? Yeah, Libya is only 2% of world oil exports. But you think AQ is gonna stop here? I don't think so.
     
  16. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From your Keyboard to God's E-Mail. May he read you loud and clear.
     
  17. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you inferring that like Bush, Obama pushed the overthrow of Libya and the assassination of Kaddafi for it's oil?
     
  18. GlobalCitizen

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    I don't know about him, but if you look at my post, YES, I am throwing that out there. Just as I'm going to continue to speculate until my questions are answered. But I'm not ready to say Obama actually had a motive for oil in any of his actions. It could be just as likely that inaction led to the loss of Libya's oil facilities. All I know are the results. I'm trying to piece it together.
     
  19. GlobalCitizen

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    Well, first we need to get the world to stop calling us imperialists. That would be a first step. We've been there since WWII. Why? Because oil is important...to all societies. We shouldn't be giving it up, and risking the collapse of our societies, to groups of armed bandits with a religious cause. Wake up world. A little help would be nice.
     
  20. SmokeALib

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    The buck stops - where?
     
  21. GlobalCitizen

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    And I found that they did support us, until insurgents murdered enough of them. The guy that did my dry cleaning was a nice guy. I would have a few words with him from time to time over a coffee from the little shop next to his. One day he wasn't there. I asked the new guy, and he told me that he was killed for working with the Americans. I think that saying Condi lied is a bit of an oversimplification.
     
  22. GlobalCitizen

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    Any opinions on what's going on with these guys? ------> View attachment 23318

    Libya's Petroleum Facilities Guard

    Any comments on this PFG formation immediately following Benghazi?
     
  23. YouLie

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    You'll believe anything they say. Why are these two people's political careers more important to you than the truth? What do you have to lose by Obama or Hillary or both having made mistakes in Benghazi? Why is covering their lie so important to you?
     
  24. Alwayssa

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    Some did and some did not. The one group that did suppport us was a terrorist Kurd group in Western Iraq. Most of the Shi'ite and Sunni sects were divided with half to us and half to the Saddam Hussein or the Iman in Iraq who was very anti U.S.
     
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    The fact that you deny that the protests happened shows how much you were lied to by your own politicians. The fact that you cannot comprehend that AQ used the protests to their own advantage is another example of your folly.

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    To some extent, we are imperialists. But then again, every major power is imperialist to one degree or another.
     

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