A genuine thank you to “Mohammad movie” producer Sam Basile

All the apostles in christian belief were the same, murderers, rapists, pedophiles. Jesus wasn't like that, but most christian's like the other guys too, not just him.

 

So THAT makes the film untrue...got it.

 

With freedom comes responsibility, and when you do something that you know, without a doubt, will lead to violence, you're abusing the freedoms the people who died in that attack were trying to protect and to share. This was needless. He didn't say anything that hasn't already been said, and as someone else pointed out, most Americans simply don't care.

I don't think he broke the law, and I don't think the US government should have outed him, but the man is a piece of scum, and he has blood on his hands because he knew full well what would happen, if that was not his intent outright.

 

I wonder what would happen if a group of Muslims in stereotypical garb went into a TeaParty demonstration and set an American flag on fire?

 

With freedom comes responsibility, and when you do something that you know, without a doubt, will lead to violence, you're abusing the freedoms the people who died in that attack were trying to protect and to share. This was needless. He didn't say anything that hasn't already been said, and as someone else pointed out, most Americans simply don't care.

I don't think he broke the law, and I don't think the US government should have outed him, but the man is a piece of scum, and he has blood on his hands because he knew full well what would happen, if that was not his intent outright.

 

First, the verses you mention.

[5:112] [And remember] when the disciples said, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven? [Jesus] said," Fear Allah , if you should be believers."
[5:113] They said, "We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses."
[5:114] Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "O Allah , our Lord, send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers."
[5:115] Allah said, "Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you - then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

How does this insult Jews or Christians?

Second, the Quran doesn't call an entire religion group apes and pigs. It says the Jews who broke the Sabbath - a part of Judaism - were punished by being turned into apes and pigs. Referring to s specific group.

Third, you are now mixing politics with religion. Ahmadinejad does not actually deny the Holocaust, he simply questions parts of it. As do many others, regardless of religion background. He also did not threaten to exterminate Jews, only to remove the Zionist government occupying Jerusalem.

The leading force behind anti-Semitism is actually Zionism.

 

Christianity is just as bad, and in come cases worse, than Islam (The Bible has more inconsistencies in it that the Qur'an, for example), if you can believe that. The Bible has more insane fairy tales (talking donkeys, unicorns (10 places no less), dragons, giants, etc. than the magic genies and magic flying horses of Islam, it seems.)
Modern Secular Humanism is the logical alternative to the magical BS of religion. No fairies!

 

Why don't you hold your breath while you wait for an answer?

 

The AP reported the man's name, not the government. The FBI is looking for him as well they should. He may be connected to a radical terrorist group himself. If your idea of freedom is releasing a horrible and inflammatory movie on the anniversary of 9/11 in the hopes of inciting riots - you're wacked.

 

The film was dubbed in Arabic and distributed on the net BEFORE the demonstrations.. and Bacile blamed it on Israel and 100 Jews YESTERDAY after the Ambassador was killed.

 

Most sane people would not consider that (turning them into apes and pigs for screwing up the "proper" day of the week -that's forced on them by the invisible dictator in the sky) *FAIR*. Religions are not FAIR.

Ghandi goes to hell....not fair. Qur'an 4:34, not fair to women. Half of the world getting only 1/2 the inheritance of a man because she has a va-jay-jay, not fair. Women's testimony in the Quran in a court being only worth 1/2 that of the (apparently!) HIGHLY SUPERIOR Muslim male....not fair. Women didn't pillage for Mohammad, only the men, so I can see why he made up that rule. He made much of his living by pillaging. He was a prophet for profit.

Are any of the things I mentioned FAIR in your opinion?

 

The TRUTH is more important than the egg-shell-like SENSIBILITIES of people who won't condemn a pedophile/murderer. I have not heard of any terrorist connections regarding the film's producer, but who knows. Please provide a link, if it's true. Thanks.

 

I believe Margot is correct.

 

Tacit admission that the claims in the film are TRUE. Trust me guys, the claims in the film about Mohammad are largely very true.

[Takes deep breath.......hopes Margot is a former typing champion.......still no reply but hope springs eternal.......feels a bit faint..........&3%@h!&)#$^,!U7g%7&

 

Modern Secular Humanism has no problem with that! Burn Dawkins' books, because we aren't overly sensitive! You can burn any of the books in my belief system, because I VALUE debate, unlike Mohammad. Burn his book and he wants you dead! The flag is just a symbol, like the Quran is just a book. Burn away! But don't stop people from expressing their Constitutionally-protected right of free speech. It's our "red line".

 

Yes, well, I would guess if some brown people with turbans went to a 9/11 service, burned an American flag and pissed on a crucifix you might see some egg shell sensibilities exposed.

And truly, who the heck are you or anyone else to judge another's faith? Isn't that what Muslim extremists do? So you're going to do it right back to them? Didn't your mother teach you two wrongs don't make a right?

 

With freedom comes the responsibility to protect freedom.

You are saying that since people do bad things when we criticize Islam---we are bad to criticize Islam and that we should shun people who do or make them vulnerable to asassination as our government did by purposely outing the film maker.

We should intimidate or promote murder of those people who offend others.

If you believe that---then you are irresponsible with your freedom.

Frankly---this is war. And the citizens are the soldiers. It is the citizens of America who will fight this.

 

As do you, so do most Muslims.

And as we saw some extremists riot, I have little doubt that we would have our own home grown extremists pummel those brown people desecrating symbols that we hold dear.

 

Ask yourself this.......had there not been this inflammatory movie released in the ME, would these protests be taking place right now?

The answer is no.

 

Your claim was the Quran called all Jews apes, no?

Whether you think it is fair to turn them into apes and pigs is kind of irrelevant now,don't you think? No offense. But this happened thousands of years ago. Your displeasure can't really change anything.

My point was the Quran does not label an entire religious group as apes and pigs. I made my point.

And you quite simply deflected.

And your understanding of women in Islam is apparently limited. I recommend you start here.

http://www.islamswomen.com/

For verse 4:34, I recommend reading this.

http://www.flw.ugent.be/cie/bogaert/bogaert4.htm

And to better understand the woman's right to inheritance, give this a quick read.

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/Inheritance_Of_Women.html

And, lastly, for testimonies of women, this should help your understanding.

http://ilovezakirnaik.com/misconceptions/a13.htm

A lot of reading, I know, but Insha'Allah this helps you begin to understand something about Islam.

 

Dunno whether to laugh or cry at the liberals blaming someone exercizing free speech for murder.


So... you believe... that if you suggest that... oh... I dunno... Christianity is just chock full of ridiculous assertions, that God of the bible is a sadist... that the idea that Jesus wants you to eat his flesh and drink his blood is not only fundamentally disgusting and perverse... that the bible itself was just a means to control a people and impress an idea of slavery into their psyche...

If you or others in your town are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing murdered... it is your fault... you bear the responsibility for those deaths.


Seriously? How do you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing people stomach yourselves?

 

4 people have been linked to the murder of the 4 Americans.

Now, let's assume these four were the murderers and found guilty.

That is 4 people out of approximately 1 600 000 000. That's 0.00000025% of the Muslim population.

Now, lets assume 10 000 people took part in the protests. Out of 1 600 000 000, that is 0.000625% of the entire Muslim population around the world.

Does that put this whole thing in some perspective, to those who wish to condemn the entire religion for this whole incident?

 

Seriously, ask a Muslim on this forum that if mohammad did, hypothetically, rape Aisha when she was 9, would they condemn that action as immoral. I've don't it, and I know what their answer is. That tells us a lot.
Modern Secular Humanism, on the other hand: yes, that is immoral.

 

You've heard this one......we have free speech but that doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater.

If you don't think that releasing this movie in the ME on 9/11 isn't yelling fire in a crowded theater - you're not thinking clearly. Those movie producers should go there themselves and practice their righteous free speech rather than putting innocent people in the middle of the firestorm they created.

 

And people would still believe that a brutal murderer/bandit was the greatest person of all time. Now the truth is starting to get out about religion. It's end is closer than it was 1 week ago.