A Third Party Presidential Bid in 2024?

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  1. JonK22

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    Sure a TEMPORARY one while the richest got a permanant one AND those tax cuts blew up the edeficits (Ronnie, Dubya AND Cheeto's)

    Key findings
    The recently introduced TCJA Permanency Act would make the temporary parts of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 (TCJA) permanent at a cost of $288.5 billion in 2026 alone.

    ● The poorest fifth of Americans would receive just 1 percent of that total while the richest fifth of Americans would receive nearly two-thirds.

    ● The bill’s most beneficial provisions for the richest 1 percent of taxpayers are the deduction for “pass-through” business income and the cut in the estate tax.

    ● The combined impact of extending the temporary TCJA provisions and the TCJA provisions that are already permanent is even more tilted in favor of the richest Americans.

    https://itep.org/extending-temporar...ax-law-national-and-state-by-state-estimates/
     
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    United States has had a two-party system for over a century. The winner take all system for presidential elections and the single-seat plurality voting system for Congressional elections have over time created the two-party system (see Duverger's law).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third... has,party candidates sometimes win elections.

    Barriers to third party success

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third... has,party candidates sometimes win elections.
     
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    The so-called "two party system" can also be described as a "winner-take-all" system, where only one representative can be elected within each voting district.
     
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    I agree about the "overbearing personality." But I also am very wary of those that can except business as usual. If they are financing their campaign through large corporate donations, I won't trust them no matter what they say. I would rather have a bull in a China shop than a mouse in a swamp.
     
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    Sad to say but it's gonna be a lesser of evils kinda deal again. Should be used to that.
     
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    Personally, if I had to distill the criteria down to one campaign issue, I look for someone who is not determined to grow Government.
    If I can't find anyone running who genuinely feels the same way I'll choose someone who at least says they do and, who knows, maybe they'll perform that way.
     
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    Never again. The lesser of two evils is still evil. How do we fix the country with evil in The Oval?
     
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    Yes. The Republicans SAY they want to control government and spending, but only when team blue is in charge. Once in power, they spend like drunken sailors.

    Believing a campaign promise is the epitome of naïveté.
     
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    The ever rising national debt has always been my number one issue. Since neither major party gives a coyote's howl about it, I really don't care who wins. If I had my way, any new program, spending would have to be paid for at the time the new program or spending was authorized. None of this borrowing more money, raising the national debt higher and higher. Either pay for it at the time or don’t do it, pass it, etc. Now more government growth unless it is paid for.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    ... such new growth (programs) self-perpetuates. Once programs are established there needs to be someone with major cajones to get rid of it..
     
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    All these “No Label” party sound great. DEMS and REPUBS are bad .. and we are good. People like the idea.

    But at home point they have to answer

    Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Are you pro gay marriage or anti gay marriage

    Do you believe climate change or not.

    Are you pro immigration or not.

    What is the policy for 13 million undocumented immigrants who are in USA.


    Right now they have no policy so it all sounds great.
     
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    They will.
     
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    I am sure they will land on policy. They will put out names of those who will be running.

    Until then .. it is just an intellectual exercise. and everyone like intellectual exercise.

    Most likely they will take a “pro-choice” stands with candidate like joe Manchin who flip-flopped his entire life on this issue. They will have a “moderate Republican” on the ticket who was pro-life his entire life and suddenly became “pro-choice”. They will have a “moderate DEMS” on the ticket who supported “Labor Union” his entire life but bashed “Free Trade”.

    Oh , I can’t wait! It will be fun, fun fun.
     
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    I see one of the guys there mentioned an effect of climate change, something I've seen you deny. Namely, he mentioned the water being warmer, sending the lobsters farther north.

    Anyway, it's sad to see anyone express support for Trump. The way people choose to believe his constant lies over plain reality is very depressing. I hate seeing Americans fall victim to a political con man, and I don't want that kind of divisive, nasty SOB back in the White House ever.
     
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    Those are all the issues that you have been trained to think are important, but are not important at all. The brainwashing has worked on so many. It has been going on for many decades.
     
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    Why don’t you educate me, what is important. Let’s see if it is possible to un-brainwash my mind.
     
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    Uniting the American people, or at least making us less divided. Every issue you listed is designed, purposely, to keep us divided. The left and right have been programmed to be polarized along those lines, which would only be possible by design, to support a two party system. Having only two poles makes it incredibly easy for the powerful oligarchs who control both parties to keep us divided, so we don't look too closely at them. You have fallen for the propaganda.
     
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    You use sentence like

    “you have been trained to think are important” or “The brainwashing has worked on so many”

    After such an insult, you want me to be united with you?

    This is the “holier than thou” attitude I despise from the so called independent who thinks everyone on the left and the right are brainwashed and they are the one who are enlightened. I have ZERO interest uniting with people who thinks they are better then others. Come down to my level on earth and we will talk.
     

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