A Third Party Presidential Bid in 2024?

the propaganda is strong in this one. Have fun voting for one of the same two losers, again, because we keep playing their stupid game. Then you want to double down on it, because apparently fixing problems is something you find insulting.

 

Thanks but no thanks. I don’t need “ Mr. know it all” fix problem.

We on planet Earth are just fine as we are.

 

Oh, we will be. People are finally waking up to the fact that they have been manipulated for many decades.

 

You mean 1%-3% Americans are “people are waking up”?

With all your smartness you don’t realize 97% is grater then 3%.

 

What is 1-3%? Also, change needs to begin somewhere. 3% of the population is all that took place in the American Revolution.

 

If there is going to be an effective third party challenge, it will have to get going very shortly.

If you have never worked on a political campaign, you don't realize how much planning is needed to get your vote out. It's takes many worker bees and a lot of money.

An election does not work the same as a revolution. In addition to that, 1 to 3 % may have been the active participants, but it took a lot more people who quietly didn't give support to the British.

Once the war was over, life for Tories who tried to live in the United States became hell. Many of them had to move to Canada to get away from the persecution.

 

"Team Trump prepares attacks on RFK Jr as spoiler anxiety increases'


"Members of Donald Trump’s team are quietly preparing to go on offense against Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as internal campaign polling suggests his expected third party bid could draw more votes from Trump than President Joe Biden in a general election.

Semafor has not independently reviewed the polling. One person close to Trump’s campaign said it showed that Kennedy took more votes from Trump than left-wing independent Cornel West drew from Biden when both were tested.

“It’s single digits, but it’s enough where it counts to make a difference,” the person said. A second person familiar with the polling confirmed their description.

With Trump allies “anxious,” as one supporter put it, his campaign and outside allies are also preparing to release an onslaught of opposition research.

“We’re gonna be dropping napalm after napalm on his head reminding the public of his very liberal views, dating back to 2012,” another Trumpworld person told Semafor. “We have a lot of stuff on him.”...(more)

https://www.semafor.com/article/10/...es-attacks-on-rfk-jr-as-spoiler-anxiety-grows

 

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When the two major parties fail to field attractive candidates, alternatives blossom.

 

Why I'm Running for President as an Independent
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Newsweek




There have been independent candidates before. But this time is different. This time, the Independent is going to win. Read More

 

This might have been a very strategic move on Kennedy's part.

 

Trump Has Reason To Worry About RFK Jr.
Amanda Marcotte, Salon




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3 Reasons RFK Jr. Poses a Real Threat to Biden
Liz Peek, FOX News




Ex-Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. declared his intention to run as an independent candidate this week. His White... Read More

 

.....much,much, closer than you think.

 

No Labels Unity Ticket Would Pull From Both Parties Equally
Joe Lieberman, WSJ



Our polling shows that a unity ticket would pull from both parties equally. Read More

 

How about Newt Gingrich and Joe Lieberman? Nikki Haley and Chris Coons? Mark Levine and Oprah Winfrey? Rip Wheeler and Beth Dutton? Greg Gutfeld and Whoopi Goldburg ? Seth Bullock and Sally Alley ?

 

We shall see.

 

The Trump and Biden Campaigns Are a House of Cards
No Labels




For months, D.C. elites have been sowing fear and doubt about the No Labels effort to get on the ballot in 2024. Read More

 

You can’t a national election without a ground game and lots of money. The “No Labels Party” has no ground game and nowhere near the amount of money the major parties have. If it draws equally from both parties, then Democrats will win since their voters are more committed.

Despite a devoted following, Theodore Roosevelt still lost in 1912. He split the Republican Party and threw the election to Woodrow Wilson. None of the possible No Labels candidates have the stature of Theodore Roosevelt. Regardless of whom the No Labels nominate, he or she will be no better than a spoiler who will divide the more conservative vote.

 

Before anything else, in case either of you does not understand this about me, my comments are intended as an objective appraisal, not my own personal wishful thinking. From my understanding, No Labels does have significant funding. If it had promising poll results, that would no doubt bring in much more financial support, both from citizens looking for an alternative to our two major parties, as well as from corporate donors, who might legitimately see this platform & candidate as in their best interest, as well as from those simply wanting to cover all their bases. Besides, there is a point of diminishing returns, in advertising; we have seen that the one with the most money, is not always the winner.

All that said, I think what kind of challenge we will see from this group, remains to be seen. I am relatively sure they will find someone to run; but if that someone is not a strong candidate, and No Labels is only on the ballot in half of the states, then they could not be anything but a spoiler. This is why that group's ongoing efforts to gain ballot access, is an important story, deserving of far more than the almost non-existent coverage, I have thus far seen.

Currently, No Labels has only gained access to 12 state ballots. There is a chicken & egg type scenario, regarding this access vis a vis the quality of candidate, they will be able to recruit. Former Repub governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, has all but said that, if he believed he would have a real chance of winning, he would don the No Labels mantle. But getting enough volunteers and public support to put the group on near all state ballots-- requisite to having a real chance-- would be greatly aided, by having a premiere candidate, already signed on. So, at this point, any predictions are merely speculative. We will have to wait, to see how that ballot issue, takes shape.

 

Sometimes there is no alternative to action.

In 1848, Thoreau went to jail for refusing, as a protest against the Mexican war, to pay his poll tax. When RW Emerson came to bail him out, Emerson said, 'Henry, what are you doing in there?' Thoreau quietly replied, 'Ralph, what are you doing out there?'

Henry David Thoreau

 

While it should go without saying, that poll results, this far out from an election, cannot be read as too predictive, and particularly when involving a candidate with whom many would not be very familiar-- RFK Jr. received surprisingly high numbers, in a new Quinnipiac poll. Twenty-two percent supported Kennedy, versus 36% for Trump, and 39% for Biden.

What is also very interesting, is that Kennedy pulled a little more support from Trump voters, than from the Biden camp. In a first question of the poll, before adding Kennedy to the choices, Biden had only been ahead by one point, instead of by three: 47% to 46%. When you add to that, Kennedy's receiving more financial support, thus far, from Trump contributors, than from Biden contributors-- I guess all the Kennedy support we'd heard around here from the Right, which I had taken with a good dose of salt, had largely been sincere.

Of course, the challenge-- as for No Labels, addressed in my prior post-- will be getting on the ballot, in all 50 states. But if this poll's numbers are indicative of Kennedy's support, and with a full year to go before the election, that should not prove a difficult obstacle. So yes, Mia, while you hadn't elaborated on your comment, this independent run could be seen as a smart strategic move, on Kennedy's part. It was questionable, whether he would have even qualified for a debate with President Biden, and a foregone conclusion, that he would lose the Democratic Primary. The only advantage to be gained from that path, would have been free media coverage, which would likely have been limited. If, OTOH, this type of support held (which is far from a certainty), we would definitely be seeing Kennedy on the Presidential Debate stage.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...jr-trump-votes-biden-three-way-race-poll/amp/

 

I say this in earnest-- though I know the same words are often used on this forum, sarcastically: good story.

 

Trumps DoJ will stop him! Oh wait!

 

He will very possibly be the No Labels Presidential candidate.
Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin says he will not seek reelection
The West Virginia moderate’s decision leaves the door open for Republicans to flip a Senate seat in a solidly red state. Manchin, 76, said he would be traveling the country to gauge “creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together.”
By Amy B Wang and Liz Goodwin

 

This is the point.

Voters Want Anyone But Trump or Biden
Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal




Neither looks good in the latest polls. Both parties should consider alternatives for the 2024 presidential election. Read More