Abortion FOUR TIMES DEADLIER Than Childbirth!

Besides from all those poor fetuses, 70,000 women die every year in the USA from abortions.

Four times as many women die from abortions than die from giving birth:
http://afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/


great essay by a former pro-choice feminist who later became pro-life:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0102.html

 

COMPLETE TOTAL LIE!
This is from the National Institute of Health


US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

Obstet Gynecol. 2012 Feb;119(2 Pt 1):215-9.
The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States.
Raymond EG, Grimes DA.
Source
Gynuity Health Projects, New York, New York, USA. eraymond@gynuity.org
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To assess the safety of abortion compared with childbirth.
METHODS:
We estimated mortality rates associated with live births and legal induced abortions in the United States in 1998-2005. We used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System, birth certificates, and Guttmacher Institute surveys. In addition, we searched for population-based data comparing the morbidity of abortion and childbirth.
RESULTS:
The pregnancy-associated mortality rate among women who delivered live neonates was 8.8 deaths per 100,000 live births. The mortality rate related to induced abortion was 0.6 deaths per 100,000 abortions. In the one recent comparative study of pregnancy morbidity in the United States, pregnancy-related complications were more common with childbirth than with abortion.
CONCLUSION:
Legal induced abortion is markedly safer than childbirth. The risk of death associated with childbirth is approximately 14 times higher than that with abortion. Similarly, the overall morbidity associated with childbirth exceeds that with abortion.

 

What are you talking about? Abortion has a 100% chance of morbidity.

Oops, well actually that's not entirely true...
http://theabortionsurvivors.com/survivor-testimonies/

 

This was an actual study done….while not in the United States it is still relevant. What is more interesting is WHERE ARE THE PRO-ABORTS COMMENTS ABOUT THIS?

AND THEY SAY ANDERS THAT WE RUN FROM THE DEBATE.

GOOD JOB.

We do not get accurate data in the United States because most agencies do not take accurate information and many deaths are classified something different. In the US…there is a massive coverup.

 

If you read the article, you would realize that this study did not compare deaths caused by abortion and birth. It compared ALL deaths (from any cause) within a year of abortion and birth. Its basically a correlation-causation fallacy.

People who have abortions tend to lead more risky lifestyles than fresh mothers, hence the higher death rate. This does not mean the higher death rate is CAUSED by abortions, or that if abortions were not available, it would be lower.

Actual study comparing the death rate of abortions and birth came to this conclusion:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271

 

This source is over 12 years old.

 

Well of course, we can hardly expect the providers of abortion ("Planned Parenthood") to give us accurate statistics. Too much hangs on the line for them. Abortion has become a billion dollar industry, heavily subsidised by the American taxpayers. Planned Parenthood has been caught lying more than once.

 

This is the most stupid *oh burn* comment I've seen on this site so far.

The point of the argument you're making in the first post is to come after the pro-choicers from their own position: agreeing for the sake of argument that only the mother's life matters, and showing that abortion still harms people.

Unfortunately for you, he posted actual statistics that disprove your argument, so you came out and made this irrelevant *oh yeah! well... you kill babiess arghhhh hitler* argument.

Your own thread title conflicts with what you said. If abortion has a 100% chance of morbidity (I assume you meant mortality, feel free to correct me), then it'd be infinitely deadlier than childbirth, not 4 times.

Haha. Ha. Ha.

I hope we haven't come to the point where someone can allege a massive federal cover up that would, if uncovered, most certainly win the Presidency for the Republicans... without any proof/even describing it at all.


Besides, this is all entirely irrelevant. Every person who has an abortion could die for all I care and it should still be legal. If a woman wants to take the risk, then that's her choice to make, not mine.

All that matters is the rights of the fetus, and you've done nothing to establish them here.

 

A in depth reading of the book LIME 5 by Mark Crutcher shows the true facts. He gives actual names and cases by number of deaths by abortion. The reason we do not have adequate numbers….most cases are settled before even reaching to our courts. Why? Families do not want shared that their loved one had an abortion….and doctors do not want to lose their reputations and practices. Massive case loads are settled. States are not required to report in many cases…and some are classified differently than how the death actually occurred. It is a massive coverup.

 

Steady Pie said,

The mothers life does matter…BUT WHAT YOU FAIL TO GET IS THAT THE UNBORN A SEPARATE INDIVIDUALS LIFE MATTERS AS WELL. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO LIVES…NOT ONE.

The truth of this issue can never be stated…because of the nature of the issue itself. Women won't come forwards…families want information hidden and our medial and news organizations are in with PP…and work diligently to hide what is really going on.

The fact is….there are deaths by abortion. Women die from having abortions…whether you acknowledge that fact or not.

Yes this issue is comedic for your side…you think death to human beings is something to joke about…and this issue…is hilarious. Your part of why our country is going down the slide….

There is a massive coverup…this debate is not about the presidency…its about the slaughter of innocent lives.

And all those who are pro-choice could die for all I care….right? If a woman wants to take the risk yes….if she can kill…she can just as easy have the child. And people like you….your content just like the people of Nazi Germany were to look the other way…simply because they did not care. What does that say about you and your so called morality?

 

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but abortions are not what is taking our country down the tubes(in it's effect on the country directly, not on the effects caused by people's perceptions of it). I know it's your pet issue and all, and I know how horrible you consider it to be, but to make the claim that the country is going down the slide because of pro-choice people is...a little off. Our country is going down the tubes because the people who claim to value "life" only seem to value it when it's in the womb. The rest of the time, they make policies that screw massive amounts of people over so that the people at the top can acquire more and more wealth. They outsource jobs. They want to give corporations free reign. They start unnecessary wars. They distract you with issues like this so that you don't see the real harm that's being done. Abortion may be emotionally horrifying for you, but it's hardly even a minor factor in the state of our country. I'd have to say the same thing to the PETA people if they were trying to tell me that animal testing was why our country is going down the toilet. I'm sorry your pet issue is not the grave profound thing you want it to be, but that's just reality.

 

The abortion industry inflicts harm on women and babies for profit.

quote: According to Dr. Byron Calhoun, director of the Antenatal Diagnostic Center at Rockford Memorial Hospital in Illinois, approximately 30 percent of pre-term births – which now account for 6 percent of all births — are attributable to prior abortions.

quote: It’s no wonder that 81 percent of women surveyed in a 1992 study reported in the Journal of Social Issues said they felt victimized by the abortion process, and that they were either coerced into the abortion or that information about alternatives or the actual procedure had been withheld.

LINK for both quotes presented in the OP

 

Are you claiming abortion is murder? Good luck with proving that.

 

The media bosses try to cover-up this kind of information: Canadian Study Finds Strong Link Between Abortion and Premature Birth

 

Common sense examination finds strong link between premature birth and being pregnant.

Most medical procedures don't come without risks, and since abortion is entirely elective, that risk is not forced upon anyone(hopefully) in this country without their consent. The idea that abortion is bad because it may have medical side effects is laughable. Welcome to the real world, where even the most minor surgery can carry a risk, however small it might be. I'm completely in favor of doctors informing women considering an abortion that it may have side effects, and that it could potentially even affect future pregnancies(assuming the link does indeed turn out to be true). Give them the relevant information, but that's it. No needlessly invasive(and non-elective) procedures to "qualify" for an abortion, no religious nuttery, no emotionally charged guilt tripping. Lay out the facts and let the woman decide.

 

Many women are lied to and pressured to have an abortion.

You think serious medical side effects (like breast cancer and premature births) are a laughing matter?!

Some atheists are pro-life. Those with a secular orientation can defend fundamental rights and women's health and be pro-life.

 

Only a moron would think that subservience to the abortion industry makes you pro-woman.

1) Planned Parenthood, which receives 100s of millions of taxpayer dollars, lies to women. If you really care about choice you don't lie to the one making the decision.

Planned Parenthood’s use of unscientific and fabricated medical information

2) Just a few of the women chewed up by the abortion industry:

New 911 tape reveals botched abortion at Virginia Planned Parenthood

Authorities: Abortion doctors charged with murder

16-Year-Old Girl Suffered Botched Abortion at Planned Parenthood

DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors

The abortion industry, like many industries, has captured the regulatory apparatus. Legalization means mistreatment of women and a huge expansion of the industry.

For example: Lax state oversight results in widespread violations at Michigan abortion providers, report says

3) The abortion industry represents the greatest assault on women in human history. Tens of millions of unborn baby girls have been killed for the "crime" of being a girl!

Sex-Selection Abortion: A War on Baby Girls

4) Not a few abortions are forced on women.

Pregnant Woman Threatened & Assaulted for Refusing Abortion

Why it's The UnChoice
Most abortions are unwanted or coerced, many forced. Women are dying, too. Human rights abuse misrepresented as "choice."

And many rich people & bigots are eager to pressure working women & women of color into killing off their future.

5) The abortion industry just wants more abortions. They have no problem endangering women's health.

Planned Parenthood pushes California bill to let non-physicians conduct abortions

 

Racists love the abortion industry.

Abortionist sees aborting ‘ugly black babies’ as a service to the taxpayers, apparently

 

That's not the same thing as being forced. People are always going to have their own sociological factors influencing their decisions, about everything, not just abortion. What matters is that it's an elective procedure, and there is no force of law that requires women to have one against their wishes. Being pressured is, unfortunately, not the same thing as being forced. As far as being lied to, any medical person that lies to a patient should be dealt with, but hereagain, hardly something unique to abortion.

That's not what I said and you know it. The actual side effects are not laughable, it's the idea that because they are present that we should outlaw abortion when pretty much all medical procedures carry risks that is laughable.

Most certainly. But you cannot deny that lifers use religion as a means to shame women into not getting abortions. I was in no way saying that all lifers do it, or that anyone pro-life must be religious.

 

You need some evidence for this assertion, and Live Action has been proved to distort their videos with "heavy editing", ASA lying.

Abortion is safer for women, fourteen times safer, than childbirth. Don't pretend that your objection to abortion is from your concern for women.

Legalization has meant a huge decrease in maternal deaths. When abortion is criminal, there is NO regulatory apparatus.

Not in this country. IAC, it is not abortion that causes prejudices against women, in fact is those who want abortion criminalized who believe women are not capable of making their own decisions.

Abortions are not forced in this country. Women are not dying from abortions in this country. When women are respected as being capable of making their own decisions, it is not possible to pressure them into having unwanted abortions. The abortion "industry" has enough business, they don't need to advertise.

 

Really?
http://afterabortion.org/2004/forced-abortions-in-america-the-hidden-epidemic/
http://www.stopforcedabortions.org/forced.htm

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitche...is-a-reminder-that-abortions-carry-risks.html
http://www.whatyouknowmightnotbeso.com/unsafe.html
No, women are dying in droves!

No, these women who terminate their little unborn babies are NOT respected by society:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110628151643.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/my-abortion-was-different_b_1891579.html

Umm...



Orlando Women’s Clinic Advertises $50 Coupons for Discount Sunday Abortions
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/25/abortion-clinic-mocks-god-offers-sunday-discounts/

 

I've exposed you as a liar in another thread, therefore your assertions (and they are merely bare assertions) mean nothing.

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/264739-genocide-9.html#post1061697827

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/264739-genocide-7.html#post1061694425

Do you ever tire of making foolish statements?

Follow this LINK to see an ad for the Orlando Women's Center. Warning: You'll see some gruesome pictures too.

 

C'mon drugs and procedures are outlawed all the time because they are dangerous!

Religious (and non-religious) people have stood for basic human rights, whether for the unborn or slaves or immigrants. This is not mere "shaming".

 

Dr. Gosnell's clinic was undoubtedly a house of horrors. I'm glad he finally got caught, but if he got what he really deserved they would have put him into a giant artficial womb and vacuumed him apart into little shreds with a high-powered industrial vacuum cleaner.


Another advertisement by a "women's clinic"




"The product, abortion, is skillfully marketed and sold to the woman at the crisis time in her life. She buys the product, finds it defective and wants to return it for a refund. But, it's too late."
— Carol Everett

 

Isn't that the point of freedom? To be able to make choices even if you regret them later. I would rather the government not tell me I can't have a medical procedure because someone believes a fertilized egg is a person. Though I will never have to have to make this decision but I could sympathize with a family member who would.

Though in the case of people doing late term abortions correct me of I'm wrong but aren't they illegal except under extreme circumstances? So I don't know what would be the relevance of it since I can't think of many people petitioning for it.