Abortion FOUR TIMES DEADLIER Than Childbirth!

Skeptical Heretic said,

Did I do that? Wow. No one has to assign you anything…you do a great job of it yourself. You are pro-abortion…that is your worldview. I believe that your position is similar to the PP founder Sanger…and also Hitler who took her theories and ran with them. Well I don't like you, your right about that. You did not say Mother Theresa was less than perfect…you used vile terms…and you did it why? For shock value? What, you tell me. You make is seem like Theresa was as bad as Hitler. I started a thread about this..worldviews and this issue coloring an entire persons view on life.

I am not going to get into some scientific debate…..science is clear as to when life starts…especially in a NEWLY CREATED HUMAN BEING. And there are people on here..your side intact who deny the unborn is even human. Can you imagine that?

I am not going to say it again…go back and read for crying out loud. I never said what you imply here. Both egg and sperm are alive….ON THIER OWN THEY ARE NOT A NEWLY CREATED HUMAN BEING. They are human…they are alive. When egg meets sperm….that is when a newly created life, human takes place. This is what science says. What is so hard for you to grasp here?

I will post what I want to post….no need to get permission from you. You ran from another thread however and wouldn't answer…so I thought that religion might be off base for you. LOL Hey if it gets hot…run eh?

 

Bowerbird said,

You champion these photos….they excite you I can tell. You post them with glee and a sparkle in your dark eyes.
You simply believe that anything that is not perfect should die…and you want to be executioner.

I talk about people with world views like yours…in my new thread.

Gosh I can only imagine you in real life….I mean knowing you actually in person. Thank God for computers.

 

You hit the nail on the head……I started a new thread about how abortion and a persons stance affects all other issues. And you can see the humor of such a person that would post these….in support of killing them. She thinks this is hilarious…..this is a joke to her seriously.

The pro-aborts get off on this stuff.

 

I don't know what thread you are referring to I can't remember all the threads I've posted on and can't remember speaking to you before sorry. Though I never said you needed permission I asked politely for the topic to stay on science as that's what we are talking about religion adds nothing to the discussion.

Though I like how you tell me to read yet don't understand what I said I even admitted that a fertilized egg is a life and has human DNA so could be described as such but not in the term human being as that describes personhood that is where the science disagrees with you.

Though lets look at a quote from my post "I don't think anyone denies it's a life in the biological sense" so where did i say it wasn't a life? I also said it was a biologically human where did I disagree here?

Though let's look at two very important parts in your post first you claim that you didn't assign my position with what Hitler did then you go onto say that my position is similar to him. Contradict yourself much? Though it was you if I remember right that said Mother Teresa was less than perfect I have no problem calling her what she is a dictator supporting evil woman who took money from these people to fund the catholic church and set up death beds with minimum care to ill people where people would sleep on mats with 40-50 people in the same room reusing unsterilized needles on the sick etc i could go into many of it though to leave this subject I'll just say the documentary Hell's Angel:Mother Teresa sums up all of it so I'll leave Mother Teresa out of it because that woman is the last thing I want on my mind.

 

Fighting any disease is like fighting a war - you use what will give you the lowest casualty rate - abstinence has a horrific failure rate and monogamy is non-viable and non-tenable strategy for any but those who like to feel morally superior to others

and as for sources - try research instead of opinion

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673600043312
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2608615/

So, what happens when you consider research to identify strategies to lower infection rates - you get a combined approach that says use condoms but also reduce partners
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2608615/

 

No I am not.

I am trying, albeit unsuccessfully to show that while every human being was at one time a zygote not every zygote becomes a human being

 

More news about the anti-natalist fanatics. They embrace forced sterilization and abortion. If lies don't work they turn to violence.

Let's look at what happened in India.

The Population Control Holocaust

quote: When these pittances did not induce enough subjects to meet the [sterilization] quotas, some states adopted additional “incentives”: Madhya Pradesh, for example, denied irrigation water to villages that failed to meet their quotas. Faced with starvation, millions of impoverished people had no alternative but to submit to sterilization. As the forms of coercion employed worked most effectively on the poorest, the system also provided the eugenic bonus of doing away preferentially with untouchables.

quote: Gandhi put her son Sanjay personally in charge of the new population offensive. He took to his job with gusto. Overt coercion became the rule: sterilization was a condition for land allotments, water, electricity, ration cards, medical care, pay raises, and rickshaw licenses. Policemen were given quotas to nab individuals for sterilization. Demolition squads were sent into slums to bulldoze houses — sometimes whole neighborhoods — so that armed police platoons could drag off their flushed-out occupants to forced-sterilization camps. In Delhi alone, 700,000 people were driven from their homes. Many of those who escaped the immediate roundup were denied new housing until they accepted sterilization.

These attacks provoked resistance, with thousands being killed in battles with the police, who used live ammunition to deal with protesters. When it became clear that Muslim villages were also being selectively targeted, the level of violence increased still further. The village of Pipli was only brought into submission when government officials threatened locals with aerial bombardment. As the director of family planning in Maharashtra explained, “You must consider it something like a war.... Whether you like it or not, there will be a few dead people.”

The measures served their purpose. During 1976, eight million Indians were sterilized. Far from being dismayed by the massive violation of human rights committed by the campaign, its foreign sponsors expressed full support. Sweden increased its funding for Indian population control by $17 million. Reimert Ravenholt ordered 64 advanced laparoscope machines — altogether sufficient to sterilize 12,800 people per day — rushed to India to help the effort. World Bank president McNamara was absolutely delighted. In November 1976, he traveled to India to congratulate Indira Gandhi’s government for its excellent work. “At long last,” he said, “India is moving effectively to address its population problem.”

Prime Minister Gandhi got her loans. She also got the boot in 1977, when, in the largest democratic election in history, the people of India defied three decades of precedent and voted her Congress Party out of power in a landslide.

 

So we should kill off the disabled? Is this where the abortion fanatics are headed?

Abortion Of Disabled Babies Increasing at Alarming Rate

 

True.

Since consciousness is such a foggy concept you can't really say this.

Admit your error.

Brain activity occurs by the 6th week.

quote: Your baby's brain is developing and activity can actually be monitored on an electroencephalogram (EEG).

There is a difference between a developing unborn baby and other cells - you know this right?

 

What?! lol

Yea bigots always go after poor people and minorities. Don't ally yourself with bigots bent on population reduction.

Not really.

Studies Validating the Efficacy of Sexual Risk Avoidance (SRA) Abstinence Education

 

Yet endorsed by the WHO.

more facts for you to avoid: Increased Abstinence Causes a Large Drop in Teen Pregnancy

Stare hard at the bolded parts and after a few hours you'll realize you've contradicted yourself.

 

Having an entity like planned parenthood that to my knowledge provides contraceptives to teenagers to tackle teenage pregnancies. Though I don't know what is bigoted about giving better sex education and a system that provides condoms to them to help prevent teen pregnancies that is a serious problem in this country. I already showed a study showing that this actually does do this and abstinence only education doesn't. To my knowledge it was a peer reviewed paper.

 

You can do both but what I'm assuming bowerbird was saying is abstinence only education is a failure you need to have safe sex education as an option. Again see the study I posted before talking about your links.

 

Here's what PP does for teenage girls: Planned Parenthood’s willingness to repeatedly violate mandatory reporting laws for statutory rape that protect children.

 

Abortion has decimated People of Color. Racists applaud.

 

I'll admit my terminology isn't perfect though I recommend you read another article by Christof Koch a neuroscientist he explains it much better so I'll post the article posted from scientific American.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-does-consciousness-arise

Though he does disagree with you on what you said here's an abstract from the article.

"But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG)"

Though on the last part about the difference between an unborn baby and a cell. If you are referring to a zygot there really isn't much difference in DNA. It's why cloning is so promising we can actually develop another person from a cell though as we've done with sheep. The fact that a cluster of cells eventually reaches the stage of fetus doesn't say much about it being a person.

 

Stop the hate okay?

Mother Teresa Charitable Trust

If you want a real hate-filled fanatic look no further than C. Hitchens.

 

I'll take this with a grain of salt since many people have heavily edited in the past when dealing with planned parenthood. Though for the sake of argument I'll give you that some people in planned parenthood have done some horrible things can you name an organization that doesn't have bad people. I've seen video footage of people in mental health hospitals beating the patients does this mean that mental health hospitals are bad? Though what normally happens is the people get fired and if a company doesn't condone this and fires people who do it then I can't see a reason to blame an entire company.

 

Don't quote mine, it's really bad to someone that reads this they will think I said Mother Teresa was a dictator I said no such thing. Though as for Christopher Hitchens as much as I disagreed with many of his opinions he was very honest and very principled, hell he was even pro-life.

 

Well you have to first prove abortion is murder and since by law it isn't and I've never heard an argument showing it so by that this graph is dishonest. If these abortions were forced then you might have a case for genocide or forced populations control though both terms are basically the same.

 

You know you are classifying many disabled people as nonpersons who can be liquidated at will.

Here's the definition of consciousness: Having an awareness of one's environment and one's own existence, sensations, and thoughts.

I don't think you can possibly deny that this includes many handicapped individuals.

And the elderly! Alzheimer disease patients often are not aware of their surroundings.

 

The dictionary definition isn't always the best for scientific terms though to be fair look at the other definition. Last time I checked handicapped people have awareness although it may not be a complete self-awareness they still have information going into the brain it just sometimes interprets it differently and the definitions he gives do include handicapped people because even at the very start of the article he even says newborn babies don't have this property though still have an awareness albeit not self-awareness.

 

Quit BS'ing. Science does not say that a human life starts at conception. Animate does not "start" from inanimate. Both sperm and egg are "human life" and so are the entities involved in various stages that occur much earlier.

Second ... Personhood is not accorded on the basis of something being "human life" .. for example heart cells , brain cells and so on.

Thats fair.

What do you believe "is" required to deserve personhood and why ?

 

Your rant is absurd, makes no sense and certainly has nothing to do with anything I have said.

 

Just because we can not pinpoint the exact moment when significant brain function has been achieved (so that the entity would not be classified clinically "Dead") .. does not mean we can not pinpoint stages where it has "not" been achieved.

For example .. the single cell at conception has no brain .. therfor it had no brain function .. therfore it has nothing resembling human consciousness.

What is madness is valuing the rights of a single human cell over that of a human.