I see... so while scolding me for not reading the article you admit you didn't either. The title is "Abortion is Great". At least I can comprehend the title.... obviously you can't. Do you feel foolish? Or just look it?
No, I don' t feel foolish, I thought you were referring to Cady's thread title.....no, seeing what you post I don't think I ever could feel foolish.
no idea what comic book you pulled that one from, but it has been shown numerous times that consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy .. do you wish to go through the legal arguments on that point, I will happily oblige in educating you. LMFAO, your education is extremely limited it would appear, unprotected sex leads only to the RISK of pregnancy, around a 9% risk in fact, and as far as I am aware no one is expected to suffer injuries due to a risk taken .. furthermore would you care to explain how consent given to one person (a man) for an action (sexually intercourse) can be transferred to a separate person (the fetus) for a different action (pregnancy) .. I mean I am assuming here that you know that consent is not transferable without the agreement of the person who gave the consent, but there again perhaps I am giving you more credence of your knowledge of consent laws than is deserved. now of course, IF every act of unprotected sexual intercourse resulting in a pregnancy you might just have a point - it doesn't and you don't.
Since you didn't read it, allow me to fill you in. It's about the reasons women need access to abortion for their health, bodily autonomy and self determination. It's about women having control of their own lives, rather than a small loud group of fanatics, and that IS great. Right, 12-year-old children should never be forced to have children, either. Because the Daily Mail says so? Great source. The most effective way of reducing the abortion rate is to make real birth control free or easily available. Oppressing women doesn't work, it's just fun entertainment for some.
if I ask to borrow your car and inform you that I have to take it down a dirt road so there is a chance it might get muddy and if you agree if you give me consent to borrow your car you are also giving consent for it to get muddy because I informed you of that chance if you are informed of the consequences of an action and you give consent for that action you are also giving consent to the consequences that is legally binding
I guess we should thank the pro abortionists, the people who think the female has the right to kill the baby that was a result of her total lack of personal responsibility. For it gives us a Meme, that can be used later on, on another group of humans. That other group is the poor, who the rest of us have to support, by force, via taxation. But first before we can devalue these lives, we must dehumanize them, make them less human. Ok, they are parasites and their growing number will crash this nation and hurt the "haves" making us all poor. And so they are a great danger to our civilization even as we are deep in debt, with these poor driving us deeper into debt. We cannot afford for this nation to implode for those that are not poor. So, obviously much of this poverty is caused by mentally being inferior, and not having what it takes to be a success in America today with our new economy. These people can't take care of themselves, have a job, because actually they are less human, and not much smarter than chimps. And they are hurting the very fabric of our society. So, should we be merciful and do it fast, like vaccines for a bio agent for the "haves" and none for these parasites? Or do we simply cut off social safety nets and tell them we are broke and they are on their own, doing it slower, and perhaps save some tax money in the process? For it is inconvenient for the "haves" to have their money stolen by taxes, and given to these useless parasites. These "haves" surely have a right to save this nation from the burden of the parasites. We should start preparing for it now, by slowly changing perceptions of the parasite, and condition people to see them as a grave danger to the survival of this nation. Since we have already lost the value of human life, by dehumanizing the unborn, we have an existing meme which we can use. We should be thankful that once we can crack that door, that maintained the value for human life, which acceptable abortion provided, we can pry it open just a little more, incrementally to provide for getting rid of these deadly parasites that risk this nation. And the only responsibility we should ever have is only to our own self interests. Which of course we already have moved to, so this shouldn't be that difficult to pull off. For there really isn't much different between that parasite in the females womb and these poverty ridden, mentally deficient poor people who live off of us. So let us remain consistent in our values.
So you're back and haven't learned a thing. Do you really still think abortion was invented/started in the 21st century? It sounds like you do which negates your entire post. You did do a very good job of trying to demonize, and dehumanize, the poor....
You forget that I can take that car back from you at any time and return it to the condition it was before you used it, unless you have a signed contract stating I will lend you the car for a specific period of time. Also the legal standings of consent between persons involving another person is a little different from the legal standings of consent between persons involving a non-human object, one is property the other is not. The fetus as a separate entity must, by law, receive separate consent for anything it wishes to impose on another person .. just as you have to gain separate consent to have sex with a woman even if she said yes to you at an earlier time or said yes to another person. It cannot be assumed that the consent is given.
This is a forum for debate after all. Why else would one come on a debate forum and post their opinion ? We all care about the opinions of others, whether or not we admit it to ourselves. It is one of those primal human drives called self expression (Our desire to be seen and thought of by others in a way that we want to be seen) Perhaps not in the abortion cesspool but in general, the opinions of others and this has a huge effect on our lives. Think of this space as a testing ground. In the real world the opinions of others can, will and do affect you. This space allows you to test out certain opinions without fear of repercussion so there is no need to be afraid to share ...
Then why exactly are you here, is it merely to get pleasure out of seeing your own words on the screen? It seems to me that you suffer from the same problem as many other pro-lifers, a problem I call the ostrich fallacy - where you stick your head in the sand content to listen to your own thoughts and assume no one else can see how ridiculous it looks.
See, when you only read those who agree with you, you can't learn....but I have a feeling learning isn't what your after.
Why did you consider that an insult...you compared them. Your second sentence is too ridiculous.......I mean, DUH, ya think!
What do you want me to do...jump up and sown and scream abortion is the greatest thing to happen to humanity since the discovery of fire? And I compare people to pigs. They pollute their water, eat what they like first, spend the day wallowing in mud or sleeping, and destroy everything in their paths. Cows are just dumb.
Isn't that what I said? A pregnant cow brings a better price than one that isn't, but you are still only paid for one animal (look at the auction sales slip) because her fetus is only a potential. You won't be paid for 2 animals until birth.
Personally I have little interest in what you do .. until it starts to effect other people, but tell me do you think your emotional hyperbole actually achieves anything? what a very low opinion of humanity you have. It seems you know as little about cows as you do about abortion http://www.grit.com/animals/farm-animal-intelligence.aspx#axzz3H7EMsdK9
Why don't you just not worry so much about it? Then what makes human fetuses so special to you? Is it because they can be used to control women?
Devaluing by dehumanization of human life, and then killing millions of humans can never be a social good. For if you devalue one group of humans and killing them is acceptable, this will devalue all of human life, and plant that seed. For it changes how we look at the value of human life. And it has. As I said earlier, the advent of easy birth control that is highly effective should have reduced the need for abortions more than it did. Abortions, which is the killing of human life, for convenience illustrates we are less responsible today, than ever before. It increases irresponsibility. And irresponsibility creates more problems in society, in other areas. Why are we not teaching people to just be responsible? What we should be doing is running ads calling these females who get an abortion for convenience as being highly irresponsible and a danger to this culture, this society. For we have to live in this society. We should promote a culture that is highly responsible, while keeping abortions legal. Abortions for the irresponsible. Birth control for the responsible and then promote responsibility as a social good. But instead of doing this, we promote the woman's right to kill their unborn, for mere convenience. We are not doing something good for society, quite the opposite. The good for society is for people to be responsible, personally and socially. That is the sane manner, and what we are doing is insane. We have kids now taking guns to school, killing other kids. Cops that shoot first and ask questions later. We don't value human life as much as we did when I was a kid.
So you're back and haven't learned a thing, nor are you able to address a post.. Do you really still think abortion was invented/started in the 21st century? It sounds like you do which negates your entire post. You did do a very good job of trying to demonize, and dehumanize, the poor.... oh . wait, this time everything was the same but you left out picking on poor women...maybe you did learn ONE tiny thing.....
Devaluing female life by dehumanization can never be a social good. Criminalizing abortion devalues women and reduces them to the level of breeding stock. It changes how we value women's lives, just have a look at history when abortion was criminalized. It was also legal for a man to beat up his wife for any reason he chose. Easy to use birth control that is highly effective for ALL women is yet to be developed. Even so, such birth control is worthless if it is not easy available to those who need it, and easily available also means affordability. You have yet to show that women choose abortions for convenience, so your statement is meaningless. Once again, you have yet to show that women choose abortion because of convenience. And why are you only blaming women? Isn't it equally irresponsible for men to cause an unwanted pregnancy? Teach men to be responsible and the problem will disappear. You have yet to grasp that a woman's choice of abortion may be the MOST responsible option for her. And for society. While there is nothing wrong in choosing a convenient action rather than an inconvenient one, you have yet to show that women make the choice of abortion for trivial reasons, as the word "convenience" implies. If we do not value human life as much as when you were a kid, you certainly can't blame it on abortion. Abortion has been occurring for centuries, in numbers close to the same rate today. The only difference is that when it was illegal, women died in larger numbers....so the evidence suggests that we value human life, at least women's lives, MORE. You simply cannot blame all the ills of society on the decriminalization of abortion.
Your replies as usual are excellent but the poster is a troll...only coming in to preach his gospel but not willing to address posts
